This is more of a casual question. Seems like the Saga and Touch Pro2 are both in the same zone as far as market. Would it seem more likely that the Touch would be getting a WM6.5 upgrade than the Saga? Is the Touch a more powerful device? Anyone thinking about making the move over to it?

I'll let you know. Just ordered mine! Should be here by Weds!

to me the first thing about a phone is the form factor. If you are fine with a slider then the touch 2 is a great too.

will it get 6.5- maybe - but more importantly if you are into that the HTC phones are hacked all to high heaven on a regular basis. Never mind an official upgrade to 6.5 there is probably a hakced windows mobile 7 already in existance for that phone. Poke around the net- the HTC devices are the easiest to hack and upgrade to custom roms.

Played with a TP2 on the weekend for a few hours. It definitely has its pluses.

TP2 advantages over the Saga:

• The screen is awesome (roughly like putting 2 Saga screens end-to-end).
• Noticeably better battery.
• HTC is so much more hackable and supported by a much, much larger community.
• For instance, the TP2 already has a keyboard mapper app that works at the driver level and allows perfect mapping of literally any button, long-press, per app customization, etc. Imagine how much sweeter the Saga would be if you had that level of control.

Biggest disadvantages:

• No D-Pad or Saga's awesome mouse controlling touch-pad. You really end up missing the fine-tuned control. And since it's not capacitive, it ends up giving up this key WinMo advantage, without really having the hardware to match iPhone's all-screen approach. Plenty of room there for touch-pad; could've been the best of both both worlds.
• Nowhere near as nice for one-handed operation.

Speed was about the same. A bit faster, but some of the GUI embellishments, like the touch-friendly soft-key menus, eat up that tiny advantage.

The keyboard is very nice for two-handed use. Almost seemed a bit too spaced out, though. I'm probably just that used to the Saga now.

All in all, if I didn't have either, I'd go with the TP2, but having the working Saga, well tuned to my taste, it's certainly not an obvious call which way to go.

I am considering it (still locked into contract until July 2010 so that may be as far as it goes...)

For me, the biggest drivers to upgrade would be:
- Touch Flo (getting tired of the plain Windows feel)
- bigger screen!!
- horsepower (i.e. CPU and RAM/ROM) - suprised at the earlier post that implied no speed difference, but oh well.
- Game compatibility - honestly, I can't get a single high end game (RPGs, other graphic intensive stuff) to work on my Saga. THAT annoys me most right now. can anyone confirm if any of RedShifts or PDAMills games will work on the TP2?

And if anyone knows of any good Saga compatible games that would be nice too (I've search long and hard for them but..)

the touchflo takes a HUGE pile of resources so I'm not surprised that there is no noticable speed difference with all that extra umph.

If you are sick of windows I'd start thinking about android or the Palm webos or even, dare I say it, the iphone. I know I am. Seems WM is ALWAYS behind, year after year, version after version, it's basically the same thing i got on a black and white Pocket PC back in the last century. Microsoft just sucks- it's basically only the compatibility with corporate email that makes it have significant value to me, and the others are catching up on that.

problem is I just switched to Win Mo from Palm OS. Bought a few apps and everything. Boy do I know how to pick a winner...

Got my TP2 this morning. First thing I did was disable Touch-flo and install SPB Mobile shell. After playing for several hours, I am in love with this phone. Find myself not even using the keyboard as the onscreen keyboard in both portrait and landscape are eminently usable. So far, so good!

Ditto on the on-screen keyboard. Made me think I should wait to evaluate the Verizon Diamond2 (Whitestone), the one without the keyboard, but same large screen. Main complaint about it was that it's very hard to use 2 thumbs, since it's not capacitive. But, seemed quite accurate and effective for one finger use.

Also, it had haptic feedback on the on-screen keyboard, but I found it so week as to be barely noticeable.

Didn't try it w/o the TF3D. The TouchFlo itself looked nice, but still seems more eye-candy than usability. The plus of WinMo is you have a choice of any number of menu/utility/settings apps to get the benefits of TF3D, but even more the way you want it. TouchFlo is a plus for new users: looks nice and pretty easy to use out of the box. But, if I kept the TP2, I'd likely drop it for my own mix of enhancements (e.g. WkTask for app menu, battery meter, and custom close/minimize list; plus Phone Alarm, task mgr, and kbd mapper).

As for MS, they are disappointing! I wouldn't say they been forever behind. They were way ahead 4 years ago. But looking back on WinMo2005, it's almost exactly the same as today's 6.1 (and 6.5 is really just a new Today Screen and Start Menu, though it's a welcome nonetheless).

The hardware has been disappointing as well. The Axim 50x/51x from 2004 had a bigger screen and faster Processor than today's "top of the line" Touch Pro2. Why couldn't Dell have just stuck a phone radio in the Axim (it already had BT and WiFi). It'd been an iPhone killer 2 years before the iPhone.

yep- I was going to write somethign about how WM6 is so close to the black and white (I think they called it Pocket PC way back then) that I had EIGHT years ago that it's shamefull. At least Palm gave up and started from scratch- seems the borg are too stubborn to just do it.

On the hardware- I think that in general everyone is afraid of killing the battery. Surely they could put more stones and memory in any of these things but dont for some reason (WM, google, apple, Palm, RIM, whatever...)