the SCH-i760 is 3G - EVDO Rev0 is 3G, RevA is just slightly faster on upload speeds only I beleive. Therefore any CDMA handset with EVDO Rev0 is a 3G handset. I am also pretty sure that any of the CDMA handsets out there with either VZW or Sprint with RevA capability have just that - the capability to be updated to RevA via new firmware from VZW or Sprint.
I also beleive that it has been said on pdaphonehome and other places that the SGH-i760 does not have the correct band (2100mhz???) to be able to receive 3G here in America on our available GSM networks (att, tmobile)
3G equals:
EVDO Rev0 or RevA on CDMA networks
UMTS / HSDPA / HSUPA on GSM networks
hopefully that clears things up a little...
Hey Miata. Thanks for jumping in so I don't have to continue just talking to myself
I though 3G=Rev A and maybe 2G=Rev 0. I knew they were both EVDO, one being EVDO Rev 0 (SCH-i760) and the other being EVDO Rev A (SGH-i760) but I wasn't sure or just thought Rev 0 was 2G or 2.5 perhaps?, but not 3rd Generation.
From what I understand Rev A is quite faster than Rev 0 even based on every day usage vs just the ideal conditions/best signal on paper/in theory. From what I read in the forum and elsewhere if the device doesn't have Rev A hardware, which I believe the SCH-i760 doesn't, then no firmware will help it. IF the hardware was Rev A upgradable then it can be done but all of what I read seemed to say that the CH-i760 couldn't do it. I could be wrong about that so you or someone else can correct me on that.
My understanding based on what I read about HSPA in wiki and elsewhere is that the US 3G merges the HSDPA and HSUPA on one frequency, and that AT&T is locked to 1900 (though I could be mistaking it for T-Mobile a locked only to 1900 instead) which the SGH-i760 uses. The bands pdadb.net lists for the SGH-i760 are Cellular Networks: GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS2100 so even if youre right in saying it needed 2100 then it aparrently has it. This is just my understanding of it, but after talking with different techs many times, AT&T several times, and reading online all of it seems to suggest it should work fine with AT&T or if one needs/wants to it, would work fine on T-Mobile as well. If anyone has better information on all of this do feel free to jump in and clarify it for us please. Thanks.
slapps1000,
I've already been down this road.......
Hey can I get a camera for my schi730.......lol
Why yes Mark it's simple...All you gotta do is just tape a 5mp-ler to it, since I'm aparrently the only one who has wants the SGH-i760, and also the only one who has wanted WM6, a camera, and SDHC on the i730..oh wait, I've been hearing I needed to shut up because SDHC Cards will NOT work on the i730 didn't I? Guess I was wrong about that huh.
The others take some effort, and one persons got the camera in there and functioning, but hey if you don't want to mod your i730 that's cool man. I'll gladly take either if/when someone gets either that or WM6 working for it.
Either way if I can verify for sure that the SGH-i760 will work in the US then I will be looking to get myself not just a 2MP camera but also the opportunity to be able to also wave at your nice self via videos on the webcam at youtube perhaps
Why I avoided the SCH-i760, killed data on my SCH-i730 and went with the Rev. A Express Card.
Web, email and especially Office applications work much better with a full size keyboard and display.
Currently though, doesn't the 6800 have Rev A support as well as Touch and a few others? I killed data myself, but man, what do you think about when Opera 9 and the other more full blown mobile browsers come out? BTW I used the Rev A USB adapter and that thing smokes! I can't imagine how it is via express.
Currently though, doesn't the 6800 have Rev A support as well as Touch and a few others? I killed data myself, but man, what do you think about when Opera 9 and the other more full blown mobile browsers come out?
XV-6800 on Sprint seems Rev. A "capable" but not implemented. If it were, I would switch and use it as a modem.
Opera 9 as I understand it just serves up it's own reformatted web pages. In any case, 320x240 is too few pixels, and I have yet to view a VGA device. iPhone has a nice screen, but other than that it is just a fetish iPod variant.
I did just about everything on my SCH-i730 short of sling box and GPS mapping. Display size is a big limiting factor, but portability is a plus.
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XV-6800 on Sprint seems Rev. A "capable" but not implemented. If it were, I would switch and use it as a modem.
Opera 9 as I understand it just serves up it's own reformatted web pages. In any case, 320x240 is too few pixels, and I have yet to view a VGA device. iPhone has a nice screen, but other than that it is just a fetish iPod variant.
I did just about everything on my SCH-i730 short of sling box and GPS mapping. Display size is a big limiting factor, but portability is a plus.
Hmm so I guess those guys are waiting on a firmware/OS update unless they can xda it from some other device perhaps. Opera 9 though is supposed to be Web 2.0. have Ajax support, and be able to play and view everything including embedded. I bought Netfront (waste of money) a while ago, but they're also going to do this as well so I'm hoping it gets even better than Opera Mini. Have you tried it? Yea I guess no one can do anything about the pixel scree quality. Haha you know the main things I seem to use my i730 for nowadays I to watch Slingbox and GPS. So great to be able to watch tv right side up while laying down on my side in bed. I completely agree with you on the iPhone/iPod, but I must say Safari is sweet as well. I don't think I've ever seen a VGA either..Aren't they only coming out on pure PDAs like IPAQ or what not? Oh to bring it back to the topic, if the SGH-i760 is US compatible like I've heard it is, it has a better resolution than the i730, and isn't squishy or weird like many/most/all? of the SCH-i760 ones are from what I can tell.
Actually they originally had it rated at 7.0 but CHANGED the rating more recently as noted by the following:
"Reviewed by: Bonnie Cha
Reviewed on 10/18/07 Updated on: 12/13/07 Release date: 10/19/07
Editor's note: Ratings have been adjusted with respect to newer devices that have entered the market ".
And if you click on the comments to the one that says:
"Yet another CNET Biased report!!!"
The guy there says "Frankly, I am sick and tired of seeing 6.5 - 7.3 ratings from CNET on pretty much all windows mobile or for that matter any non-apple product".
This shows they did rate it as a 7.0 as it stands alone by itself, but for some reason changed it after other phones came into the market. Besides that what he's saying isn't all together true in that I already noted that cnet rated the i730 an 8.3 which comes with Windows Mobile. Maybe the 6.5-7.3 ratings may be what is generally found for WM devices at cnet but it isn't always the case.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what youre you saying, but are you saying that the SCH-i760 supports 3G?? If it does then I take back what I said about that, but everything I read about it says it only supports Rev 0 not Rev A. If it does have it then that definitely brings it up a notch from where I was seeing it.
When I saw the review a while ago I was like wait didn't it have a lower score, then I thought it must have been another phone. Maybe the first one they tested was a pre-production model that might have been a little crappy and once they got a production model and had used it for a while they decided that it really is a good phone? just a thought.
Also the Cingular 8525, HTC Tilt, both got an 8.0, the VX6800 got a 7.7 while the Sprint model got a 7.3. The blackjack II got a 7.7 and so did the HTC S630(dash update). The HTC VOX S710 got an 8.0. I could go on. So there are handful of WM devices that have gotten higher than 7.3.
Then again didn't the Samsung i830 get a 6.3 which is kind of odd since it is a similar to the 730.
When I saw the review a while ago I was like wait didn't it have a lower score, then I thought it must have been another phone. Maybe the first one they tested was a pre-production model that might have been a little crappy and once they got a production model and had used it for a while they decided that it really is a good phone? just a thought.
Also the Cingular 8525, HTC Tilt, both got an 8.0, the VX6800 got a 7.7 while the Sprint model got a 7.3. The blackjack II got a 7.7 and so did the HTC S630(dash update). The HTC VOX S710 got an 8.0. I could go on. So there are handful of WM devices that have gotten higher than 7.3.
Then again didn't the Samsung i830 get a 6.3 which is kind of odd since it is a similar to the 730.
Good theory, possible, even probable, but not the reason they gave. I don't understand it but they said that the ratings changed because of OTHER devices that came to the market, not because of a change in the SCH-i760 no?
Yea while I was checking out the rating for the SCH-i760 I saw all of those other ones, but figured anyone could see them if they did the same thing so I'm glad you pointed that out. There was quite a few.
The i830 was kinda funny I thought for the same reason. If you look at CHas review she goes on and on about how she felt like it was not balanced that if you have it slid up it falls backwards..I have not ever tried an i830 and yea its built like an i730 so it's kinda weird that they gave the i730 an 8.3 and the i830 such a low score..but maybe because the i830 is a dual band it has more weight in the wrong places and thats what makes it difficult to type on? I dunno. Also it doesn't have WIFI where as the i730 and i760s do so that's another thing. I think what they loved about the i730 was that it had everything, and handle it pretty well enough, which is one of the reasons I love it too. IF the SGH-i760 is completely US friendly I think it has the same reach and functionality of the i730 but thinner and with upgraded features being exactly what I wanted in the first place.
Also the SGH-i1760 may work here, but 3G may not work here as it may not be supporting North American 3G bands.
From what I understand the listed bands for AT&T for data are 1900 and 2100, which is exactly what the SGH-i760 has, so if that's true how wouldn't it really work in the US in that case? TMobile is only 1900 and the SGH-i760uses that call frequency, AT&T I believe uses both 1900 and 850 (I could have TMobile and AT&T reversed) but with either you have the frequencies being used for data and calling..only in one of the networks you could have places for outage of service or necessary roaming if you ae in an 850 area, but whichever one that is locked to just 1900 you will not..in that case it will just depend on coverage..I looked at both AT&T and TMobile and I am pretty saturated in my area for both 3G and call coverage.
Here are the most recent specs listed for the SGH-i760 by pdadb.net (I have talked to this guy several times and he got this info around December probably from the manager he knows at Popular Electronics or from the tech):
So if one of the companies uses ONLY 1900 for call and data (and or also 2100) and the SGH-i760 has them both wouldn't that mean it would work?
There have been many who have already bought the SGH-i760, so I hope one of them at least will see this thread and post what their findings on what they can and can't do on it if there are some things they can't do with it in the US.
Yea while I was checking out the rating for the SCH-i760 I saw all of those other ones, but figured anyone could see them if they did the same thing so I'm glad you pointed that out. There was quite a few.
I could have gone on with at least another 4 or 5 phones.
Also what I was saying is that a phone can work here, but maybe just limited to EDGE or GPRS speeds as the phone may not support US 3G bands.
I could have gone on with at least another 4 or 5 phones.
Also what I was saying is that a phone can work here, but maybe just limited to EDGE or GPRS speeds as the phone may not support US 3G bands.
True.
And I would love to have that question fully and finally resolved without question myself.
A dual scenario like the i830 on these phones for (in this case full) quad band frequencies and CDMA would have been amazing..but I wonder how much that would have cost and also why they would feel the need to give us exactly what we want, when most of the time I think they try not to
Any good news about the Samsung SGH-i760? How much is it?
I've called these businesses so many times they must be sick of hearing from me. They keep saying they'll get them in, but as of a couple weeks ago they still hadn't. Last time they said that they got some in and didn't notify me because they sold out immediately..so maybe if you and or others want to try to call them (Popular Electronics, World Wide Electronics, and your local GSM stores) it would show them they're in demand even more. Popularelect.com is selling them for $999.99 but if World Wide Electronics gets them in like they said they would they either will probably sell them cheaper (something they told me), and or it may cause Popular Electronics to lower the price as well. I feel I would have to change my voice (which I can do quite well as well as find entertaining to do) in order to call them anymore Anyone up for giving them a call instead of me and reporting any info you find here?
GOODNEWS: OH! I almost forgot, some good news I DO have is that I talked to a main reviewer at cnet.com (who will remain unnamed) and he said he will try to get an SGH-i760 asap and submit a review at cnet.com on it That would boost its demand don't you think? I think at very least it would show all those people who made hundreds of positive comments about how much they wanted the device, when it was first being announced a year ago, that it is an actual phone they can actually buy now.
I've called these businesses so many times they must be sick of hearing from me. They keep saying they'll get them in, but as of a couple weeks ago they still hadn't. Last time they said that they got some in and didn't notify me because they sold out immediately..so maybe if you and or others want to try to call them (Popular Electronics, World Wide Electronics, and your local GSM stores) it would show them they're in demand even more. Popularelect.com is selling them for $999.99 but if World Wide Electronics gets them in like they said they would they either will probably sell them cheaper (something they told me), and or it may cause Popular Electronics to lower the price as well. I feel I would have to change my voice (which I can do quite well as well as find entertaining to do) in order to call them anymore Anyone up for giving them a call instead of me and reporting any info you find here?
GOODNEWS: OH! I almost forgot, some good news I DO have is that I talked to a main reviewer at cnet.com (who will remain unnamed) and he said he will try to get an SGH-i760 asap and submit a review at cnet.com on it That would boost its demand don't you think? I think at very least it would show all those people who made hundreds of positive comments about how much they wanted the device, when it was first being announced a year ago, that it is an actual phone they can actually buy now.
Yeah I really love the vertical slide out qwerty keyboard, but $1000 is too expensive. I also worry about the battery and the earphone output, because the battery has 1040 mAh only, i hope the battery is good enough. The earphone output is Proprietary, i cant use my 3.5mm earphone...so sad.
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Yeah I really love the vertical slide out qwerty keyboard, but $1000 is too expensive. I also worry about the battery and the earphone output, because the battery has 1040 mAh only, i hope the battery is good enough. The earphone output is Proprietary, i cant use my 3.5mm earphone...so sad.
While I agree $1000 is a lot of money, unlocked phones are usually very expensive, and this one comes unlocked. While that is the case the other things you mentioned should not be considered issues really.
The SGH-i760 should come with both a standard and extended battery. I can go all day on my extended battery on my i730, even while using EVDO, but if I happen to use Slingbox, I have an extra extended or even a standard to make it through the rest of the day if need be. Besides that Lion battery could/would create a higher capacity battery if you asked them to, just like they did with the i730 (2500 Mah I believe it is which I STILL want to get for my i730).
The other thing about the headphones is a non issue because I have a cheap adapter (around 11 bucks, under 20 I know for sure) that allows me to not only use any headphones I want but it also lets me plug into my cassette adapter to be able to hear my calls through the car stereo. It works great! It should be the same proprietary output as the Samsung i730 (which you can double check the specs on the i730 but its made by Samsung with the same form factor, so Id assume its the same). At worst, if that particular adapter doesn't work another one will but it should. These are the kinds of issues people made right after the i730 was released (you can't use WIFI and the phone together, bluetooth is crippled etc, it only comes with WM2003SE etc..), but became non issues as hacks were made and or companies created things to by pass any other limitations.
Also just because Popular Electronics sells it at $1000 that doesn't mean World Wide Electronics will, and it also doesn't mean every other local GSM dealer in your area will. If World Wide gets them in they said they will go cheaper so there's at least that.
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