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Old 06-10-2007, 10:01 PM
     
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Ditto on the Q comment. Responding to this while tethered to my Q now.

Only made mention of 8525 vs 6800 due to your comparison in size. I'm thinking the 6800 will feel closer to the i760 than it will the 8525. I think both will be about the size of 2 Qs stacked together.

I could look up the dimensions, but feeling lazy. LOL
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Old 06-11-2007, 12:16 AM
     
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Take Two on the ITC

A little more color on the Int'l Trade Comm's (ITC) "Limited Exclusion Order," regarding devices employing QCOM chipsets with power-saving micro-code "pirated" from (oops, "infringing upon") BRCM.

Have now read the actual ITC Order of 06/07/07 (6 pgs).

As the Order's language is consistent with the earlier-cited PC Mag report, the Sammy i760 and HTC x6800 should indeed be grandfathered...for now.

Here's the key portion of the provision:

...exempted from this Order are handheld wireless communications devices that were being imported into the United States for sale to the general public on or before the date of this Order.

The only reasonable interpretation of this language is that the exempted devices need not have been released, only imported for eventual sale.

But.

While these critical new EvDO models should survive, a 'hint of mint' is apparent. For instance, no model variants are permitted, such as non-cam i760s or x6800s...

The exempted models must be identfiable by specific and verifiable model numbers, denoting model-specific product specifications, features and functions.

What about permissibility of firmware mods, you ask? Hmmm, a good question left unanswered. (And shows how little the ITC knows about tech, let alone the line between hardware and software...)

Two other points of interest:

1. Bonding: Not Enough
We had wondered about bonding (bond-posting by QCOM and/or handset-makers) as an alternative to a draconian importation ban. "Necessary but insufficient," says the ITC.

In addition to an outright ban on new-model imports, the ITC is requiring that a bond be posted for each exempted device allowed to be sold. The amount of the bond is set at 5 percent of each device's declared value (presumably, VZW's wholesale cost, or thereabouts). If paid by Sammy or HTC, such a bond is essentially the vendor's entire net profit on each unit. Thus, the device folks will be all over QCOM for having hatched this catfight.

Is "power-saving" IP worth 5 percent of the wholesale value of the radio? And what's QCOM even charging mfgrs for this disgraced silicon? You decide.

2. 60-day Window: Trouble Ahead?
The exemption and bonding provision is specified as good for a period of up to 60 days (the "Presidential Review period") from the date of the Order. If not vetoed by the White House (unlikely), stayed pending appeal, or settled during this period, the ITC Order becomes permanent. As written, this implies that the exemption could disappear in 60 days and...we're back to square one. (Read the Order; it's linked below.)

Thus, some sort of timely resolution is essential in this case. If not, the new ringtone could be..."Mobile Revolt."

--BAM

P.S.
As many know, aircards (computer data cards) are altogether exempted from the ban. ("Power-saving" is presumably less critical in laptop applications, so these products lack "bite.")

Any infringing device designated for use by the US government is wholly exempted. (No surprise here...)

The ITC's "Limited Exclusion Order"
Broadcom Corporation - ITC Ruling

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Old 06-11-2007, 12:48 AM
     
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What is this?

Hey everyone,

I was just googled the dimensions of this phone and a page came up saying that they were selling the Samsung SCH-i760 phone. I don't know what the deal is with this but here is the link:

http://www.allnewcellphones.org/index.php?productID=33

What do you guys think? A scam?
 
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Old 06-11-2007, 12:53 AM
     
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Hey everyone,

I was just googled the dimensions of this phone and a page came up saying that they were selling the Samsung sch-i760 phone. I don't know what the deal is with this but here is the link:

http://www.allnewcellphones.org/index.php?productID=33

What do you guys think? A scam?
The link seems to be dead.

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Um...

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The link seems to be dead.

Dan
I tried the link and it works. Try the home page. This is strange.

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They claim to be selling the HTC Tytn (xv6800) as well.
 
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total scam!!!

This is a total scam! Anything requesting a Wester Union Money Transfer is total fraud. I just might think about submitting this to the FBI webpage for examination.
 
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Old 06-11-2007, 01:07 AM
     
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I like this line on the page - "!!! All colors are avialible !!!
Please specify color in order comments"

Like a Model T - You can get any color you want, as long as its black
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Old 06-11-2007, 01:08 AM
     
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The link is fine, the price ($422.50, no-commit) is arguable.

The vendor's location is not fine:

Address: Nevsky pr. 27
City: Saint Petersburg
Country: Russian Federation
Postal code: 190034

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Something else on that sight - they are still selling the i700 - and at $455!! They list the i760 at $422.50.

So, I figure I will just trade them my old i700 even up, and let them keep the change!
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Old 06-11-2007, 01:18 AM
     
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Got the page to load, must have been slowed up by all you other folks. The best laugh is the price for an i700! $455.00!!! That is even more than they are asking for the i760!

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