dUMB sTUPID vERIZON ... dOESNT sEE tHE hORIZON ... rE-lEASE tHE f ^%$#@&*+_) pHONE ... bEST cARRIER ... wORST sELECTION ... dOESN'T eVEN pRODUCE a eRECTION ...
Truthfully: I am so fed up that I went to my local VZW store and asked if there's any info whatsoever on upcoming phones, particularly the i760. There was none, of course. So I just blew.
I loudly announced that I am on the verge of leaving VZW, no matter how good the coverage is, because I'm sick of them jerking us around. I have little doubt that VZW hasn't delivered the i760 because it's taking them longer to break it than they'd anticipated. So, I fully anticipate that the i760 will be crippled to an even greater extent than VZW's track record would lead us to expect.
So, who should I be looking at to possibly replace VZW? Decent coverage is my #1 criterion. And it'll be tough for me to convince my family to switch (not to mention the expense, if I go and they stay).
So, who should I be looking at to possibly replace VZW? Decent coverage is my #1 criterion. And it'll be tough for me to convince my family to switch (not to mention the expense, if I go and they stay).
So, who should I be looking at to possibly replace VZW? Decent coverage is my #1 criterion. And it'll be tough for me to convince my family to switch (not to mention the expense, if I go and they stay).
Sheesh!
Well, by what you are looking for, I would suggest that you go with Verizon. Not Verizon Wireless, but Verizon. Their landlines have great coverage.
dUMB sTUPID vERIZON ... dOESNT sEE tHE hORIZON ... rE-lEASE tHE f ^%$#@&*+_) pHONE ... bEST cARRIER ... wORST sELECTION ... dOESN'T eVEN pRODUCE a eRECTION ...
its comforting to know we can still count on rEEFER mADNESS to swoop in and give us a little of his wisdom when we need it!
So, who should I be looking at to possibly replace VZW? Decent coverage is my #1 criterion. And it'll be tough for me to convince my family to switch (not to mention the expense, if I go and they stay).
Sheesh!
All Cell companies Suck. so, you have to determine which one sucks the Least. and From what i have read VZW sucks the least, then TMO, Then a toss up between Cingular and Sprint.
I agree, the landline has the best coverage and may be for you
Today I spent about 30-45 minutes on the phone with "Ethan", helping him compile some information on a company he was going to present to some time next week. I asked about the i760 and he said that Verizon has sent out instructions as of late that essentially demanded that employees be tight lipped about upcoming releases. They are cracking down on information that is being discussed, and removing people from the loop on some of the projects. He said this was partially due to information about devices that Verizon hopes will be iPhone killers (like they can kill that beast called Apple), and the fact that they have seen large amounts of information leaked on devices as of late, including those photos of slide shows mentioning devices. He said that he needed to be even more cryptic and careful on information given out. Much of the information he finds out for me, he asks, and he said that he more or less has asked one too many questions. So he's cooling it for a bit. I asked him to explain some more, and he basically said, "I have been told that I am under a non-disclosure agreement, and that the information they can tell me can't get out." So it seems that for the time being, the faucet is off, not run dry, but off.
He said that as information presents itself in a way that he can relay, he will, but he isn't going to be asking for updates in the near future...
He did say that the time he asked before was still hopeful for a June release, but they are going to test the waters when the iPhone is released, but they still hope for a Q2 release. He said all carriers are looking to postpone releases until some of the iPhone hype dies after the release. He said each date he has been told has been pushed a bit longer, but they still want to release a few devices they have...
So that's everything I have been told.
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Thanks for the update. Hopefully there won't be any kind of repercussions for the info he's been able to get to us.
I just don't understand this marketing strategy in the least (and maybe shows I'm more knowledgable in science than business/advertising). It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to wait and react to what happens with the iPhone. The closest thing I can think of to this situation would be with the 360 and the PS3. MS pushed hard to get their product out the door while Sony took their time and came to market a year late. And look how it's faired for Sony so far (and this is coming from a Sony fan). For these carriers to sit tight and wait on the iPhone to undoubtedly siphon off a good deal of Apple loyalists/gadget lovers/interested buyers smacks of a bad business move.
If I was running a wireless carrier, I'd be doing everything I could to lock up what customers I could before the iPhone comes out next month. To wait and react seems way too risky, especially since there doesn't seem to be much in the way of countering such a media-centric device (and I really don't think the Prada or whatever Verizon has "in the mill" will come close).
<snip>...I just don't understand this marketing strategy in the least (and maybe shows I'm more knowledgable in science than business/advertising). It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to wait and react to what happens with the iPhone...<snip>
I'm not saying I agree with any VZW strategy here, but perhaps their marketing mindset is that "John Q. Public" only has the capacity to focus on one new phone release at a time, and they don't want to risk their limited advertising dollars and push becoming washed away amid the sea of advertising undoubtedly coming from Apple with the release of the iPhone. Just perhaps they are thinking, let the iPhone buzz hit hard, then move off the "buzz charts" and then release their new pda phone, after the other hoopla has come and gone.
Indeed. Seems like backwards logic to me. If the iPhone comes out first I'll go check it out and it'll get first crack at my business. I imagine it won't make it but the important thing is if they release the 760 first they'll have secured my busines and made the iPhone irrelevant.
Today I spent about 30-45 minutes on the phone with "Ethan", helping him compile some information on a company he was going to present to some time next week. I asked about the i760 and he said that Verizon has sent out instructions as of late that essentially demanded that employees be tight lipped about upcoming releases. They are cracking down on information that is being discussed, and removing people from the loop on some of the projects. He said this was partially due to information about devices that Verizon hopes will be iPhone killers (like they can kill that beast called Apple), and the fact that they have seen large amounts of information leaked on devices as of late, including those photos of slide shows mentioning devices. He said that he needed to be even more cryptic and careful on information given out. Much of the information he finds out for me, he asks, and he said that he more or less has asked one too many questions. So he's cooling it for a bit. I asked him to explain some more, and he basically said, "I have been told that I am under a non-disclosure agreement, and that the information they can tell me can't get out." So it seems that for the time being, the faucet is off, not run dry, but off.
He said that as information presents itself in a way that he can relay, he will, but he isn't going to be asking for updates in the near future...
He did say that the time he asked before was still hopeful for a June release, but they are going to test the waters when the iPhone is released, but they still hope for a Q2 release. He said all carriers are looking to postpone releases until some of the iPhone hype dies after the release. He said each date he has been told has been pushed a bit longer, but they still want to release a few devices they have...
I too am confused about VZW's marketing strategy on this one. Seems very backward to me. Apple announces the iPhone in January--6 months before it's release. The buzz has done wonders for Apple's stock and we haven't even really seen the media blitz that will start when the iPhone is actually released. VZW really should take a lesson from Apple. That "Can You Hear Me Now?" thing is soooo old.
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I too hope "Ethan" doesn't get in any hot water for getting us the info we want. I've read some of the stipulations associated with the NDA's i've been asked to sign. Quite the ugliness.
I'm gonna go with a ditto with everyone else... I don't think we've even begun to see the onslaught of Apple ads. I really can't stand them and I really don't know if I'll be able to handle the iPhone bs. Thank god for DVRs.
In the end, I can't write apps for the iPhone, so it has no real appeal to me. Plus I heard you can't replace the battery. What? I've never had a cell phone that had a decent battery that didn't shrink in reliability 1-1.5 years later. If I'm gonna pay $300+ for a phone, I'm gonna drop $60/70 for a new battery...
I am tired of waiting... all this latest report says is that they have it and it's just a marketing tactic. which sucks... They're robbing me of months of quality i760 time.
Don't disagree with your views, just to say that subscribers need flexibility, choices and solutions--and US CDMA networks are lagging.
Since the i730's debut in late Q2 '05, VZW has offered WM-based subscribers only the following: 1) Treo 700w/wx, 2) Sammy i830, 3) HTC XV6700, 4) Moto Q, and 5) Pantech PN-820. Of these, only the 700w/wx and XV6700, along with a few user-upgraded i730s, can be considered WM5 PPCs. Sprint's done even less.
The i760 may prove a reasonable PPC, but it doesn't show technical leadership and seems to be configured only with a cam (mediocre at that). Many prospective PPC users aren't even permitted to rock a cam.
So, unlike the i730 for the WM03SE era, the i760 cannot, and will not, occupy the pole position in the WM6 era.
In any event, there's a new rumble underway: quad-band GSM devices are starting to appear with little or no carrier commitment, especially in the US (e.g., HTC Advantage/Athena). What makes speculative handsets viable is the vast global GSM subscriber base and the premise that SIM cards make them impulse-worthy and universal.
Expectations are that such carrier-independent GSM devices--available unlocked from third-party sources, will soon account for meaningful market share. At risk to CDMA carriers, of course, are the service agreement lock-ins on which they're so dependent. Over time, the evolution to 'free-market distribution' may ease the tyranny that alienates people like our very own Mark_A_K.
Unfortunately, the much smaller population of CDMA users can't quite support speculative devices, and carrier activation restrictions on 'foreign' units further frustrate the prospect of greater choice for CDMA folks.
The bottom line: 3G GSM world-phones will increasingly pressure CDMA carriers to innovate in order to contain churn. Better devices, and more of them, will be required.
--BAM
No arguments here my friend...we have all revealed our disdain for how behind the times the 760 will be when it hits the market. And yes, the 3G world phone being sold unlocked by third party companies is attractive. One problem though, in most areas, populated or not, you still have to step outside onto the deck or driveway to get a good signal when making a phone call on a GSM phone. Sometimes I think we forget that for everything that these devices are, it is of utmost important that they make good phone calls...apparently something the GSM folks and HTC for that matter have not been able to achieve on any of their models.
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I'm not saying I agree with any VZW strategy here, but perhaps their marketing mindset is that "John Q. Public" only has the capacity to focus on one new phone release at a time, and they don't want to risk their limited advertising dollars and push becoming washed away amid the sea of advertising undoubtedly coming from Apple with the release of the iPhone. Just perhaps they are thinking, let the iPhone buzz hit hard, then move off the "buzz charts" and then release their new pda phone, after the other hoopla has come and gone.
So wait.. I'm confused by this.. I know it's just a theory, but Samsung-- and to a lesser extent Verzion--market this sort of phone(pda's) for JQP? Or possibly that Verzion does general training on a group of phones, instead of wasting dollars on no-good sales reps that won't last the life of that specific product, and will likely hold back the entire release group this go-round to weather the iCronie storm?
Either or..doesn't sound like sound marketing to me. The market place will always be rife with a "I'm the best" product, that doesn't mean guarntee'd success and shouldn't mean the competition should go into Stockholm syndrome.
Not disputing your post, or any of them regarding this. Nor am I singling you out, just so you know. Just if some of you vets have seen this before.
I just sopke to my large account rep about the i760 and he said that he can't discuss it becuse of legal reasons....... his words not mine. So he must have gotten the internal memo. He did say that there are a few phones coming out in June and July.
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VZW, It's 2009! Time to embrace technology, not suppress it. - oops too late I've moved on over to the iPhone w/ AT$T!
iT'S kINDA lIKE gOIN tO a pIZZA jOINT, aND hERING, iM SORRY wE oNLY hAVE pIZZA wITH dOUGH, wE kNOW yOU wANT tHE cHEESE, bUT aRE hOLDIN bACK oN tHE cHEESE, aND wHY yOU aSK ? ? ? aBSENSE mAKES tHE hEART gROW fONDER, tHE lONGER yOU wAIT, wE kEEP pUSHIN tHE dATE,
I too am confused about VZW's marketing strategy on this one. Seems very backward to me. Apple announces the iPhone in January--6 months before it's release. The buzz has done wonders for Apple's stock and we haven't even really seen the media blitz that will start when the iPhone is actually released. VZW really should take a lesson from Apple. That "Can You Hear Me Now?" thing is soooo old.
Backwards! For sure! I would think they would want to get their phones out and lock people into contracts BEFORE the iPhone comes out... And that's assuming the iPhone even makes out the gate on the June date. Apple is even better at being hush hush on things and they have been known will push back a release when a product isn't ready...So what if Apple decides the iPhone isn't ready for the prime time in June or they want to hold off and release a phone with more features... Delays always seem likely. Is the rest of the cell phone world going to wait as well and let Apple hold them hostage? all I can do is shake my head at the strange decisions some companies make.
Mark
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I don't fully understand their marketing strategy either, and the thought I shared is just that - a thought. And I surely don't agree with that as being correct strategy.
But, I think whatever VZW's strategy is, in order to even remotely understand it, we have to not think from our point of view (which is, the phone is ready so let us have it) to their point of view. And, simply put, just follow the money. The ONLY reason that they EVER release any phone is just that - to make money. So, according to that logic, they will release the phone when they feel they can make the most money. When they won't lose money by returns and tech support. When it won't be forgotten and miss sales because of the public's attention on another product. When they <cringe> assure that people can't abuse the phone with things causing their network to bog down or worse yet people avoid paying them extra charges, etc.
I really have no clue as to what their thought process is. And, their track record is that they product test their phones to the nth degree before ever releasing them. And, disagree as much as we want to, last time I checked, VZW hasn't filed for bankruptcy, and are showing a handsome profit. So, frankly, I would think that their concern about our concern of a release time means nothing to them.
Uhhh, what he said!?!
if some of you vets have seen this before. 
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