But that isn't entirely true though. You can only run Windows on those machines nothing else (well Linux but...) as you can only run osx on a mac (although I guess you can do VM for both).
Actually Apple is the only company that does not let you run any other OS platforms with out a virtual PC set up.
On a "PC" you can run Windows,Linux. and any other system you could manage to develop. Which there are many out there. especially on Business ends where they create their own environments. Reason is because all the parts that go into a PC are not designed for Microsoft. They are for a lack of better words "open source." That is all off topic but back to my thinking is that it sucks >.< but not to far from now there will come a company that will decide its the way to go and will be a very well funded company. again look at Microsoft vs. Apple. One is proprietary one isn't. And out of the two who is worth more?
On a more i760 note. I think its become like those women you think about all the time and want (Megan Fox from transformers come to mind)... but only a few people get one.
Actually Apple is the only company that does not let you run any other OS platforms with out a virtual PC set up.
Not that this pertains to the i760 is any way.....but it's not exactly true. You can run several flavors of Linux and Windows (via Boot Camp) natively on a Mac without any type of "Virtual" or Emulation software.
Last edited by bradrellinger : 10-03-2007 at 03:39 PM.
You say when you call service they are fairly decent to you.
What have you had to call in for and what do they say when they realize you have the 760?
When they figure out I've got a i760 they just support it the best they can. One of the techs I spoke to had a unit there with him to help troubleshoot.
Also, to all you people writing these letters to the CEO.. I'll run you the same spiel as the people who did this a while back on HoFo.
I believe you will find some of those emails will be duly noted and purposefully ignored.
The tone of certain emails are coming across as entirely based on emotion. I have been on the receiving end of these emails before. If someone writes a communication like this it will either get a standard form response or, if it is deemed "good" enough, it will be passed around to others in the customer service department where they shall laugh at you.
Verizon Wireless is an entity, a corporation - not a person. Therefore you cannot write in to customer service or to a CEO's office and think that you are smacking VZW into shape. That email will not go to Mr. Lanham. You are going to reach a customer service rep who has no power to help you and whose pay is so meager that they likely subside on Listerine and Tender Vittles. Trust me, they couldn't possibly care less than they already don't. These forums may have a "power in numbers" feeling to it but it is no more significant to VZW than a single flea is to a dog.
I suggest that if you decide to try again, make a more constructive letter. Don't lamblast the company no matter how much they deserve it, and letterbomb more executives than Mr. Lanham. Consumerist.com has an excellent guide on this.
I have been led to believe that you a person at VZW that can help move along the release of some long awaited phones for some of the more advanced users that are your clients.
They are both the Samsung SCH-i760 and the HTC 6800. While these phones are probably not being used by your target audience, such as the LG Venus, LG Voyager, Samsung Juke or the Black Berry devices such as the Pearl 2, I believe that the Samsung and HTC phones utilize "The Network" the best.
The VCAST phones are only using "The Network" for OTA music Downloads and VZ Navigator as well as the WAP 2.0 internet browsers and the Black Berry devices are at their very best, corporate communicators with a Java enabled web browser that is sorely lacking as well as the media player that is now loaded on the 8830. Windows Mobile devices are by far superior devices to these and I cannot see myself ever using anything other than them (the Q9m/c does not count as they are missing some of the functionality of a WM5/6 pro device).
I am now about to lose my NE2 on my account as it came up in May of this year (as I understand this discount must be used within 6 months of eligibility) and I have no real PDA phones that are upgrades to what I currently own (Treo 700wx) and I am sorely disappointed in the company that I have placed my trust in to keep me up to date in a world where technology is ever advancing and the needs of my devices are always increasing.
Both of the above mentioned PDA phones have upgraded features as well as some new ones that are not currently available on "The Network" and I believe we are being short changed by the desire to not release them but to rather focus on an area that will generate buzz about VZW's desire to compete with AT&T's iPhone.
Because Verizon has not released a suitable upgrade to the Samsung i730, I decided to try the HTC TyTN II and run it on AT&T. I was much more pleasantly surprised with both that network and the unbelievable device than I thought I would be. I currently have 6 lines with VZW and am contemplating moving them to AT&T because that company seems to be much more interested in helping people who need serious phone devices.
That said, I have been waiting for either the i760 or the XV6800 from VZW for months. Rumors have been flying about these devices since last January. The 6800 has become a most beloved phone over at your CDMA competitor and has attracted many people away from VZW. They are so pleased with the phone and the service that they are explaining why others should leave VZW and join them (much lower price being a huge incentive).
I am sure you are well aware of this situation and how VZW is being vilified for its lack of ability to release a device that truly competes for the serious business user. No, I am not talking about religious wars like iPhone versus whatever toy VZW announced today, because that is not what business users need. Also I am not speaking about the Blackberry because those are fairly ubiquitous for now. There is no doubt that the growing wave of serious users are rapidly migrating to windows based phones that are totally compatible with their laptops and desktops and nothing VZW offers currently meets that need. When people who sit next to me on the plane (usually in first class) see my TyTN II, they ask about it. The VZW users all complain about their crappy Treos and want what I have. I explain that VZW has not had a decent release since 2005. They all seem to know this and ask where they can buy a TyTN II.
I, along with hundreds, if not thousands of serious business users would like to know when VZW is going to come out with phones that they want. More importantly, they would like to know why they cannot buy phones on the open market that work with VZW like they can with operators all over the world. When VZW allows the Samsungs and HTCs to sell compatible CDMA devices like all the GSM vendors do, that would provide VZW with a very nice competitive advantage. Right now, VZW is vilified – and, I am sorry to say, deservedly.
While my 6 lines do not matter much to a company the size of VZW, I am planning to migrate them all out of the VZW network on November 1 if either the i760 or the 6800 are not made available by then. The high cost of the inefficiencies I am forced to experience with the crippled, stripped down devices VZW forces its business users to endure is much more expensive than are my cancellation charges.
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When they figure out I've got a i760 they just support it the best they can. One of the techs I spoke to had a unit there with him to help troubleshoot.
Also, to all you people writing these letters to the CEO.. I'll run you the same spiel as the people who did this a while back on HoFo.
I believe you will find those emails will be duly noted and purposefully ignored.
The tone of your emails are coming across as entirely based on emotion. I have been on the receiving end of these emails before. If someone writes a communication like this it will either get a standard form response or, if it is deemed "good" enough, it will be passed around to others in the customer service department where they shall laugh at you.
Verizon Wireless is an entity, a corporation - not a person. Therefore you cannot write in to customer service or to a CEO's office and think that you are smacking VZW into shape. That email will not go to Mr. Lanham. You are going to reach a customer service rep who has no power to help you and whose pay is so meager that they likely subside on Listerine and Tender Vittles. Trust me, they couldn't possibly care less than they already don't. These forums may have a "power in numbers" feeling to it but it is no more significant to VZW than a single flea is to a dog.
I suggest that if you decide to try again, make a more constructive letter. Don't lamblast the company no matter how much they deserve it, and letterbomb more executives than Mr. Lanham. Consumerist.com has an excellent guide on this.
i agree with your sentiment, but i know for a fact that writing even one letter can get you results. i had an issue with VZW, which i won't reveal here, and wrote a letter to whoever the regional president was at the time. it had a similar tone as my letter here, which i don't think was emotional at all. but it was clear that i was perturbed.
within two days of sending the letter, my area representative was on the phone for two reasons. To a) ask that i send all communications/complaints to him from now on. (he must have really gotten chewed out) and b) tell me my problem, which had been bouncing around for weeks, was immediately solved.
the difference here is that the higher-ups are well aware of our concerns so writing might not make a difference. but it won't hurt.
Dear Mike,
Burn in h***... no, that's not right...
A pox on your family! ... no... still not it...
If you don't give me my phone, I'm sitting in a corner and holding my breath until you do! THAT'S IT!
And for future reference, all three of those methods, along with a well-cited, well-documented, well-worded letter, are all as equally effective when dealing with the big V. They aren't.
Bill
Last edited by billgrove : 10-03-2007 at 04:14 PM.
Dear Mike,
Burn in h***... no, that's not right...
A pox on your family! ... no... still not it...
If you don't give me my phone, I'm sitting in a corner and holding my breath until you do! THAT'S IT!
And for future reference, all three of those methods, along with a well-cited, well-documented, well-worded letter, are all as equally effective when dealing with the big V. They aren't.
Bill
Too funny! Will probably get the same response as any other letter......NOTHING! But it will be interesting to see what response, if any, comes back.
Several comments have been made that the announcement of these other phones and their promise by Thanksgiving means that the i760 must appear after that. These comments are entirely wrong.
Again, citing the history of the i730 and i700 launches, Verizon Wireless did not make any elaborate announcement about these phones, and they did make announcement about mass market phones at the same time as the release.
The lack of an announcement about the i760 does not mean you won't suddenly wake up some day to find it on the VZW site. That was precisely what happened a few days after B2B reps started selling the 730. On that day, zero i730s could be found in stores and limited store staff knew about the phone.
You cannot apply the norm of mass market devices to the release cycle for the i760, Verizon does not release high end limited market devices the same way they release the mass market devices.
It remains entirely probable that any of the dates under speculation are still valid, and entirely false that our only choice is to interpret the 4 phone announcement as a delay beyond Thanksgiving.
This is a rumor thread, and it is everyone's right to comment, but remember that some of us have seen this play performed twice before.
Several comments have been made that the announcement of these other phones and their promise by Thanksgiving means that the i760 must appear after that. These comments are entirely wrong.
Again, citing the history of the i730 and i700 launches, Verizon Wireless did not make any elaborate announcement about these phones, and they did make announcement about mass market phones at the same time as the release.
The lack of an announcement about the i760 does not mean you won't suddenly wake up some day to find it on the VZW site. That was precisely what happened a few days after B2B reps started selling the 730. On that day, zero i730s could be found in stores and limited store staff knew about the phone.
You cannot apply the norm of mass market devices to the release cycle for the i760, Verizon does not release high end limited market devices the same way they release the mass market devices.
It remains entirely probable that any of the dates under speculation are still valid, and entirely false that our only choice is to interpret the 4 phone announcement as a delay beyond Thanksgiving.
This is a rumor thread, and it is everyone's right to comment, but remember that some of us have seen this play performed twice before.
All the world is a stage and we are merely the players and portrayers
Ok, I called my normal rep for Government & Education, and he told me that the i760 will be out by the end of the month, but no firm date. I called another rep for small business accounts that a colleague gave me and he is saying that it "came out about a week ago" but he couldn't handle my order and that I'd have to go through my normal rep.
I'm VERY annoyed!!!!!
BEFORE YOU ASK, no I can't give the number of the rep that said it was released. My colleague did not say I chould share it.
Several comments have been made that the announcement of these other phones and their promise by Thanksgiving means that the i760 must appear after that. These comments are entirely wrong.
Again, citing the history of the i730 and i700 launches, Verizon Wireless did not make any elaborate announcement about these phones, and they did make announcement about mass market phones at the same time as the release.
The lack of an announcement about the i760 does not mean you won't suddenly wake up some day to find it on the VZW site. That was precisely what happened a few days after B2B reps started selling the 730. On that day, zero i730s could be found in stores and limited store staff knew about the phone.
You cannot apply the norm of mass market devices to the release cycle for the i760, Verizon does not release high end limited market devices the same way they release the mass market devices.
It remains entirely probable that any of the dates under speculation are still valid, and entirely false that our only choice is to interpret the 4 phone announcement as a delay beyond Thanksgiving.
This is a rumor thread, and it is everyone's right to comment, but remember that some of us have seen this play performed twice before.
Okay ... let's for a moment assume (yea I know ... the ass of you and me thing) that your right about vzw not making a big deal about these pda phones being released (and before the daggers fly ... yes I've survived too many of these release threads to count and you are correct about the casual release these phones get ... with the possible exception of the Q) ... that they are not the high pressure marketing targets ... if all that is true ... what would it hurt to announce that the expected release day was Oct 5th .. or the 12th of Never ... they could always come back and say before that date that it was delayed in testing if that was the case ... I think I echo the sediment of this forum when I say that I don't hate a delayed release date nearly as much as I hate an "unknown" release date.
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Okay ... let's for a moment assume (yea I know ... the ass of you and me thing) that your right about vzw not making a big deal about these pda phones being released (and before the daggers fly ... yes I've survived too many of these release threads to count and you are correct about the casual release these phones get ... with the possible exception of the Q) ... that they are not the high pressure marketing targets ... if all that is true ... what would it hurt to announce that the expected release day was Oct 5th .. or the 12th of Never ... they could always come back and say before that date that it was delayed in testing if that was the case ... I think I echo the sediment of this forum when I say that I don't hate a delayed release date nearly as much as I hate an "unknown" release date.
I think that Apple kinda set the mark for releasing something when you say you will. There were rumors about the iPhone for almost a year before he came out and said it existed and I think the release date didn't come for another month or so afterwards but they did release it when they said they would.
One thing that would go in V's favor if they gave a "release date", even if they did't meet it, is that all of us would stop tying up the CSR's time with questions of when it will be released
For what it's worth, I called a store in San Jose, CA (knowing they'll probably get their's first being on the West Coast) and she knew right away what phone I was talking about from just giving the i760 name. They have dummy phones on display in that store and was surprised it wasn't on line yet. She said it'll probably be up tomorrow and sounded pretty matter-of-fact about it.
I think the market segment is a lot bigger for this phone than they realize. How many small business owners live their lives as close as they can to the cutting edge of tech? I don't know either, but probably a lot.
Also, the 611 folks yielded a confirmed tomorrow release date is very likely.
Someone on HOFO posted yesterday they were able to order the phone from their b2b rep in Fremont CA and would receive it in "a couple of days". Another poster from CA is claiming to have gotten their's in todays FedEx.
If Verizon is rolling out from West to East, maybe the October 4 -6 release date is accurate.
After all the frustration is todays threads, I hope it's not more bs.
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