Well, the 12th has come and gone and no 760. Guess I shouldn't be suprised. When was the last time that Verizon met a projected go-live date. Wish I could get away with that in my job.
Not sure if someone already posted this, but here is a quick demo on WM6 and a few good reasons to upgrade to it. Please note the picture quality sux, but the point is made:
Well, the supposed internal Verizon document at the beginning of this thread stated that the Samsung U740 would be released on 12/11/06. Over 2 months later, Verizon released the phone (see link below). There was a similar delay for the PN820 air card. Should we be so hopeful to suggest that the i760 will "only" be 2 months late?
Don't know if anyone saw this. http://msmobiles.com/news.php/6054.html
According to msmobiles, the 400 mhz Samsung Processor is as fast as the intel xscale @ 520, which is what we have. He doesn't quote a source, however. I wish I could find some hard numbers somewhere, but that is in line with what I've heard before.
<edited> sorry jpurv, you beat me to the article, I didn't notice your post!
I remember the Processor model was posted in here somewhere, and if its anything like this one in the article below, I finally feel comfortably with the loss of our intel Processor of the past, this one looks great.
Oddly, I am in no rush though for the i760, I am more concerned with it just functioning correctly on release. My i730 is pretty "hooked up" to say the least, I am still enjoying it like a little kid.
The subject of mobile Application Processors/CPUs is highly complex. "Performance" is subject to many variables and few Web sites are equipped to sort out specs and competitive claims, conduct effective tests, and provide useful insight. In the world of CPU architecture, the Engadgets and BoyGeniusReports don't quite cut it. So we're left to fend for ourselves.
The new Samsung S3C2443 Processor, at 533MHz, is an enhanced design also based on the ARM 920T Core. While now in production, no devices based on this CPU seem to have been announced. Given a choice, we would certainly opt for a device based on the '43 vs. the '42. http://www.samsung.com/products/semi...43/S3C2443.htm
Samsung vs. XScale:
Like many players, including these folks, http://www.arm.com/community/ARM_Core_Licensees.php,
Samsung is an ARM Core licensee. Like TI, Intel/Marvell, and a handful others, Samsung is also a licensed ARM foundry. In fact, it's fair to say that Samsung is now the world's most vertically integrated mobile device manufacturer.
We've discussed XScale in several threads. If you wish, you can consult this Wikipedia summary of the XScale story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XScale
XScale is based on ARM's v5TE Instruction Set, a generation ahead of v4T, but behind v6T (as employed in the newest Samsung CPU).
The Samsung ix30 family is based on the Intel/Marvell Bulverde PXA27x-series XScale CPU. As you all know, the ix30 clocks at 520MHz. The fastest PX27x grade-out, at 624MHz, runs in PDAs like the Dell Axim X51v, Fujitsu Siemens Pocket LOOX N560, and HP iPAQ hx2795b, but only two PPCs of which I'm aware, the HTC Advantage/Athena X7500 (GSM), and the Symbol Tech (Motorola) 9000-series (a data terminal, really, but with an iDEN phone & PTT).
A new generation of high performance XScale Processors (Monahans), up to 806MHz (PXA320), was finally launched by Marvell (successor to Intel) in November, but we're aware of no devices signing on to use them as of now. Here's the story: http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.j...leID=196600907
So this brief report pretty much sums up where we stand in terms of high performance mobile CPUs. As you can see, not a lot of progress has been made in the past 2-1/2 years, but there's movement once again.
Now we just need some real world tests and benchmarks of the Samsung S3C2442. And the real question is: How well do Samsung chip overclock. I haven't heard of much success with overclocking our i730 but the past has shown me that different chip makers react differently to overclocking. I will keep my fingers crossed that samsung chips will take it well like the old AMDs did. Thanks for the wealth of info about these different chips Bam.
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The difference between 533MHz and 400MHz on this type of device and current usage is negligible.
Having said that, give me more power!!!!!!!!!
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The difference between 533MHz and 400MHz on this type of device and current usage is negligible.
Having said that, give me more power!!!!!!!!!
You will probably only see a difference when running some the GPS Navigation applications. TomTom is a CPU hog.
Yea! More power! Can't see why I'd need that. Heck. On a recent trip, I couldn't understand why IGuidance was getting 'jerky' (not a function of the person driving - ha) with the phone going, picking up email, & PA notifications. The only thing not running at that point was my pocketweather updating the several locations I have configured.
On a more serious note (KBAM): You ask 'feel free to comment'... I think, yea, right. Like I'LL reply back with the technical nuances relating to cache performance, which instruction set has which enhanced instructions (that are actually used by any of the compilers - the RTLs/DLLs actually used to build the apps we run), and the like. Great rich post tho. Thanks. Food for reading during my early morning times.
Also, recalling back to them daze when speculation was rampant on the i730 (but not out yet - the one I'm still using was shipped to me on 6/24/2005), didn't the post count get more than 100? We have a way to go before we hit that one.
There was some rumor talk a while back that Microsoft wanted to announce WM6 on the i760. Well it was an 'i', just not this one. On the 12th. the i500 was announced as having wm6. Only this 'i' is from HP.
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On February 12, HP introduced the latest HP iPAQ device — a sleek and small smartphone that delivers a flexible wireless email experience for business customers through convenient voice control and hands-free operation.
The HP iPAQ 500 series Voice Messenger features voice over Internet protocol (VoIP) capabilities, “push” email and the latest Windows Mobile 6 operating system. With up to six hours of continuous talk time on a fully charged battery, the HP iPAQ Voice Messenger also leads the competition in battery life. As the first in HP’s new smartphone lineup, the HP iPAQ 500 series helps highly mobile professionals stay connected wherever they are.
More than 20 voice commands available on the iPAQ offer customers hands-free operation. Using a powerful “voice reply” feature, users can reply to email by dictating and sending a voice response, without the need for any typing. Users also can listen to email and text messages, navigate through phone and calendar tasks and speak to start applications.
Additionally, the HP iPAQ Voice Messenger has built-in Wi-Fi to provide business customers a VoIP alternative to traditional office phone setups. By integrating the HP iPAQ Voice Messenger with office phone systems, businesses can eliminate the need for desk phones and benefit from streamlined communications and reduced IT management. The smartphone also includes GSM/EDGE and Bluetooth wireless technology connectivity options.
The HP iPAQ 500 series Voice Messenger is expected to be available this spring in the United States direct from HP and select authorized dealers. International pricing and availability for the HP iPAQ 500 series will vary.
I just ran across this http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...5013#post35013 . It looks like I wont be upgrading to anything WM6 (or AKU3) any time soon, or at least until I get confirmation that PDANet still works, whichever occurs first.
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Now we just need some real world tests and benchmarks of the Samsung S3C2442. And the real question is: How well do Samsung chip overclock. I haven't heard of much success with overclocking our i730 but the past has shown me that different chip makers react differently to overclocking. I will keep my fingers crossed that samsung chips will take it well like the old AMDs did. Thanks for the wealth of info about these different chips Bam.
Using XCPUScalar I can easily do 624 if I want to..but I'd need to buy a longer lasting battery because it takes tons of battery life away to do that. All I do is uncheck Autoscale, put it on 624 (or is it 625 cant remember), and it works..If I restart and then autoscale for 624 it will work, but again, battery life takes a serious hit. 520 is good enough for me, but I wonder how long the extended battery would last with a better Mugen battery or what not. If its a 400 MHZ processor, it probebly can only be overclocked to 500 something..but then again, perhaps higher since the 6700 going up to 624 from what I understand.
Well, the 12th has come and gone and no 760. Guess I shouldn't be suprised. When was the last time that Verizon met a projected go-live date. Wish I could get away with that in my job.
According to this link, release is not due until June-ish.
I went to the Samsung Experience Store on Wednesday, and sadly there was no i760 on display. I thought they may put one in the display case now that WM 6.0 has been officially announced.
The Treo 700Wx has a February 20th release date. So that's just under a month off from the "internal document" of a January 29th release....
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The Treo 700wx has a February 20th release date. So that's just under a month off from the "internal document" of a January 29th release....
This is off topic, so I apologize in advance, but how pathetic is it that the 700w was released a year ago, and its successor's only real improvement is extra RAM? No stub antenna removal, no WM6.0 (and thereby no 320x320 screen resolution), and no "slim down" like the 750. It's very disappointing.
Thanks for the report from "Samsung Experience." No surprise that the i760 doesn't yet live there. Did the staff even know it existed?
Frankly, this place doesn't quite seem to understand its mission. All sizzle, no substance. But then, Sammy's product managers are often out of touch as well...
As to the Treo 700Wx, this release looks like a parity play. Sprint may have had an exclusivity term and VZW can now catch up. If Palm has its act together, its next device will support Rev A.
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