No one knows. The best guess is either this month for the i760 (yeah right) or in june or july. I like the idea of the i760 coming out this month but i highly highly doubt it.
The next big leap should come in '08. The next gen xscale processors are already in the pipeline, with speeds of 600+ - over 1 ghz. Graphics accelerators for Windows Mobile devices
have already been announced. Not to mention Photon - the next major rewrite of the Windows Mobile OS. 2008 should be a very good year.
Now this would be a fundamental improvement. An update of the safe store architecture is not.
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Revison A, crappy in phone camera, Crossbow, slower ARM processor and no WiFi notwithstanding, the more I see of this phone, the less I understand it's emergence.
Did someone use the "C" word??? Le'me get a picture of da bugga so we can know who to roast.
I says it, so what cha gunna do bout it? Like Barbara Bush said to Conan O'Brian in that serious interview they had on his show, "I says what I meanz, and I meanz what I says"! Seriously though, c'mon now, cut me a break, I predicted the precise day WM5 was coming out when we did a pseudo bet on a release date, and pushed the idea that 8GB SD cards may in fact work, and some apparently do, so I gots meat least some street cred, ju no wat Im sayun?
Whatever one's persuasion regarding the landscape-vs-portrait debate (blog me into the portrait camp), let's face it--Samsung's SCH-i760 comes up short as successor to the ix30 throne. A Prince Charles of PPCs, if you will. Even with Crossbow, the i760 is undeniably obsolete before release.
A bit thinner than the stock ix30, but the needed fat battery will bulk it up for many. The antenna disappears--and with it, perhaps a bar--say 2-3dB?--of RF (those at war with antennas tend to think they serve no purpose...).
The 1.3mp cam (sans flash) is insulting; the Samsung/ARM CPU at 400MHz (whether or not 'better', clock-for-clock, than the Intel/Marvell XScale PXA270 Bulverde at 520MHz) is not likely the equal of what we have; and there's zero forward progress in memory architecture or graphics.
So we upgrade to WM6 (which does not require a "new" device), and we pick up B/T 2.0 and 802.11g, both of which are old school. Hopefully, EvDO Rev A is in the box, but this isn't assured. And along the way, we trade SD for microSD, a non-starter for which we didn't ask.
All in all, the i760 may be the next device for many, but it's far from what we want, far from what we need, far from what Samsung could have built, and far from state-of-the-art. Here's a bet: Unlike the venerable ix30 platform, the effective lifecycle of the i760 device will not make nine months.
Samsung could have, and should have, pushed the envelope. Instead, it hatched yet another vanilla cone, altogether lacking in leadership. (An angled-key numpad on the deck is not leadership.) For VZW's "Lou" and legions of suits, the i760 will be a marquee event. For mobile warriors, the i760 might, if it drops before June, squeak through Thanksgiving.
Now, while we're gathered together, will the real ix30 successor please stand up?!
The next big leap should come in '08. The next gen xscale processors are already in the pipeline, with speeds of 600+ - over 1 ghz. Graphics accelerators for Windows Mobile devices
have already been announced. Not to mention Photon - the next major rewrite of the Windows Mobile OS. 2008 should be a very good year.
Also, Samsung 400 mhz processors do indeed turn in better benchmarks than 400 mhz Intel chips, but I doubt they could keep up with the 520 mhz Intel processor in the I730. But 400 mhz is respectable, and if WM 6 is more efficient (a big if for Windows), the difference probably won't be noticeable.
They have those mobile mini laptops or what ever theyre now called, like the OQO they had at the last convention, broadcast at cnet.com. Those are bigger than PPCs yes, but theyre pretty fast, and quite powerfull..not too far behind todays latest computers. I wonder why the smaller units are that much farther behind?
Whatever one's persuasion regarding the landscape-vs-portrait debate (blog me into the portrait camp), let's face it--Samsung's SCH-i760 comes up short as successor to the ix30 throne. A Prince Charles of PPCs, if you will. Even with Crossbow, the i760 is undeniably obsolete before release.
A bit thinner than the stock ix30, but the needed fat battery will bulk it up for many. The antenna disappears--and with it, perhaps a bar--say 2-3dB?--of RF (those at war with antennas tend to think they serve no purpose...).
The 1.3mp cam (sans flash) is insulting; the Samsung/ARM CPU at 400MHz (whether or not 'better', clock-for-clock, than the Intel/Marvell XScale PXA270 Bulverde at 520MHz) is not likely the equal of what we have; and there's zero forward progress in memory architecture or graphics.
So we upgrade to WM6 (which does not require a "new" device), and we pick up B/T 2.0 and 802.11g, both of which are old school. Hopefully, EvDO Rev A is in the box, but this isn't assured. And along the way, we trade SD for microSD, a non-starter for which we didn't ask.
All in all, the i760 may be the next device for many, but it's far from what we want, far from what we need, far from what Samsung could have built, and far from state-of-the-art. Here's a bet: Unlike the venerable ix30 platform, the effective lifecycle of the i760 device will not make nine months.
Samsung could have, and should have, pushed the envelope. Instead, it hatched yet another vanilla cone, altogether lacking in leadership. (An angled-key numpad on the deck is not leadership.) For VZW's "Lou" and legions of suits, the i760 will be a marquee event. For mobile warriors, the i760 might, if it drops before June, squeak through Thanksgiving.
Now, while we're gathered together, will the real ix30 successor please stand up?!
Whatever one's persuasion regarding the landscape-vs-portrait debate (blog me into the portrait camp), let's face it--Samsung's SCH-i760 comes up short as successor to the ix30 throne. A Prince Charles of PPCs, if you will. Even with Crossbow, the i760 is undeniably obsolete before release.
A bit thinner than the stock ix30, but the needed fat battery will bulk it up for many. The antenna disappears--and with it, perhaps a bar--say 2-3dB?--of RF (those at war with antennas tend to think they serve no purpose...).
The 1.3mp cam (sans flash) is insulting; the Samsung/ARM CPU at 400MHz (whether or not 'better', clock-for-clock, than the Intel/Marvell XScale PXA270 Bulverde at 520MHz) is not likely the equal of what we have; and there's zero forward progress in memory architecture or graphics.
So we upgrade to WM6 (which does not require a "new" device), and we pick up B/T 2.0 and 802.11g, both of which are old school. Hopefully, EvDO Rev A is in the box, but this isn't assured. And along the way, we trade SD for microSD, a non-starter for which we didn't ask.
All in all, the i760 may be the next device for many, but it's far from what we want, far from what we need, far from what Samsung could have built, and far from state-of-the-art. Here's a bet: Unlike the venerable ix30 platform, the effective lifecycle of the i760 device will not make nine months.
Samsung could have, and should have, pushed the envelope. Instead, it hatched yet another vanilla cone, altogether lacking in leadership. (An angled-key numpad on the deck is not leadership.) For VZW's "Lou" and legions of suits, the i760 will be a marquee event. For mobile warriors, the i760 might, if it drops before June, squeak through Thanksgiving.
Now, while we're gathered together, will the real ix30 successor please stand up?!
--BAM
Thanks for the review Hugh........
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Reading through this thread every day, I feel a bit like Tevye in fiddler on the roof when he was arbitrating between two guy that were arguing. I find my self going back and forth agreeing with both sides of the argument. This is going to be a hard decision on whether or not to upgrade from the 730 to the 760. It seems that both sides of the camp have merits and it will just depend on what mood I am in when the 760 comes out if I get it or not. Of course, the fact that my screen has scratches from all the games of solitaire I have played may be a factor in the decision as well.
Whatever one's persuasion regarding the landscape-vs-portrait debate (blog me into the portrait camp), let's face it--Samsung's SCH-i760 comes up short as successor to the ix30 throne. A Prince Charles of PPCs, if you will. Even with Crossbow, the i760 is undeniably obsolete before release.
A bit thinner than the stock ix30, but the needed fat battery will bulk it up for many. The antenna disappears--and with it, perhaps a bar--say 2-3dB?--of RF (those at war with antennas tend to think they serve no purpose...).
The 1.3mp cam (sans flash) is insulting; the Samsung/ARM CPU at 400MHz (whether or not 'better', clock-for-clock, than the Intel/Marvell XScale PXA270 Bulverde at 520MHz) is not likely the equal of what we have; and there's zero forward progress in memory architecture or graphics.
So we upgrade to WM6 (which does not require a "new" device), and we pick up B/T 2.0 and 802.11g, both of which are old school. Hopefully, EvDO Rev A is in the box, but this isn't assured. And along the way, we trade SD for microSD, a non-starter for which we didn't ask.
All in all, the i760 may be the next device for many, but it's far from what we want, far from what we need, far from what Samsung could have built, and far from state-of-the-art. Here's a bet: Unlike the venerable ix30 platform, the effective lifecycle of the i760 device will not make nine months.
Samsung could have, and should have, pushed the envelope. Instead, it hatched yet another vanilla cone, altogether lacking in leadership. (An angled-key numpad on the deck is not leadership.) For VZW's "Lou" and legions of suits, the i760 will be a marquee event. For mobile warriors, the i760 might, if it drops before June, squeak through Thanksgiving.
Now, while we're gathered together, will the real ix30 successor please stand up?!
--BAM
I agree that the i760 doesn't look like the best follow up to the i730, but who would have thought that I would have had the i730 for two years. It was great when we first got it, and it's had problems, but the whole thing goes back to, what would we have replaced it with.
The i760 might not be a fabulous follow up to the i730, but even so, I might be using it just as long as the i730, it just depends on what else is released. Many factors go in to the purchase of the i760, size, weight, form factor, options, etc. Personally I am not worried about EVDO-A because it won't affect me much, not at least for another year or two, at which time I will be getting a new device with it as an option. It wasn't but a few months ago that my area got EVDO, even though I had it in other places, it wasn't where I lived.
I am a person who loves the portrait layout of the keyboard, and I don't want a device that has a horizontal layout, but that is what all of the devices are coming out with that have slider keyboards. Since the i760 has the outside keypad, I believe this will help a bunch and make it a very functional device, even though it has the horizontal keyboard. 90% of what I use the portrait keyboard while driving is the keypad (numbers), and not the full keyboard. Sure I do send an occasional text message, but if we are able to use the keypad to do that with T9, or some other input, then it actually will be easier to type one handed. I know of two software packages for the Pocket PC that allow you to type txt messages with the on-screen keypad, and use T9, so I am sure there will be a work around to make it work even if it doesn't out of the box.
I agree that the 1.3 MP camera is an insult. 2 MP is starting to become the norm, but having a camera will be nice. I doubt I will use it much, as I have my Canon SD630 in my laptop bag at all times, and it's 6 MP pictures will be far better than any phone's camera, but having the ability to snap a shot will be nice.
The 400 MHz CPU isn't that big of a deal to me. Everything I have read says it's far more efficient than the xscale Processor, both in performance at equal MHz and battery life. The 6700 has a 400 MHz Processor, as well as almost every other device for Verizon, and they seem to have a bit more pep in them than the i730. Sure if I run the i730 at 520 MHz with XCPU it feels faster, but battery life goes to crap. If my device clocks a bit slower than the i730, but runs the apps fine, and has a better battery life, then I am all for it. I haven't played with any devices (that I know of) with the Samsung Processor in it, so I can't say for sure, but I do know that MHz alone, isn't something I am judging the upgrade on.
Of course all of this is speculation until someone gets there hands on one for either a LONG review period, or for testing purposes (both of which I am sure requires a NDA). I think that many people that are coming here and read these RUMOR AND SPECULATION threads see this as fact, but for those that don't understand, this is just a bunch of "device happy" people (including myself) speculating on an upcoming device. Until we get it in our hands, take this with a grain of salt.
I personally think the i760 is an upgrade, just not a huge one for the i730. Sure it changes the style of the i730 device, but so did the change from the i700 to the i730, if you call that an upgrade. Device manufacturers are looking at the most popular devices and designing their new devices to be similar. They don't take in to account that Verizon didn't market the i730 as well as the 6700 or the fact that Sprint has the 6700 as well, but I think Samsung saw how popular the 6700 and other HTC devices are around the world, and decided to switch to the horizontal layout, but at the same time improving the front of the device.
Something that hasn't been talked about much is the layout of the answer/end keys. They moved them from the bottom of the device to the sides, slightly recessed. I think this will help from answering calls accidentally, but could introduce a whole new factor as well. Of course only time will tell.
I do LIKE the location of the OK and Windows key on the device, on the side. This will be nice for one hand use, and make it easy to press and use more one handed. I think that is the design of the i760, more one hand friendly for the majority of the functions, but at the same time having a full keyboard for when you need to do more.
Only time will tell...
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Also BAM, I agree that the Toshiba looks neat, and I think one of the best PDA's I owned was the Toshiba e740 back in the day (a non-pdaphone). But it goes to the same issue on the Toshiba, Horizontal keyboard, and the fact that you have to kick it open to use buttons while in a call, or use the onscreen keypad.
I think that since Samsung went to the Horizontal keyboard, they came up with the best idea, or having the numeric pad on the outside. This will keep me from having to open the device when trying to get through everyone's automated systems and dialing extensions.
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There are so many reasons now that make me want the i760 over other "new" devices. The main reason now is WM6. I am sure the 6800 will get WM6 eventually, but we know how long it takes Verizon to releasing an update for the OS, and having the newest latest and greatest will be nice from the start.
1. The main feature I want in WM6 is the Rich/HTML e-mail. It will support reading HTML/Rich Text e-mails, which I really do need.
2. Call History. You can now see the call history within each contact. Making it much easier to run through when/if you called someone.
3. Better support for Word, Excel and other office apps. It seems that MS updated this as well, and that if you open a Word or Excel app, it won't destroy some of the advanced functions like it does now.
4. Better Outlook support, the ability to interact with Follow-up flags, changing Out Of Office settings right on the phone, FAR BETTER calendar views.
5. Support for AJAX. This is built in to Pocket IE.
6. .NET Compact Frameword built in to ROM. There is also discussion about the updates for .NET and WM6 being downloaded and then written to ROM, saving space on the device.
7. Better Device Lock. This is both on an individual level and on the administration side.
8. Built in Storage Card Encryption and Device Wipe. This is built in, allowing you to encrypt the card to only work on the device, and to remotely wipe everything.
These are things that have me most interested, and having a device with it from the start will be nice. Sure if the i760 isn't the best device, it still has the newest updated OS, making it better, and if I need to replace it in a year or so, then so be it, as long as something better comes along.
If something better would have come along than the i730, I would have already had it, and wouldn't still be using the i730, but nothing has. It's only a slight upgrade to the i760, but to me, the features are worthwhile for me to upgrade. I am a person who never had a phone longer than 1 year, and changing devices 9-12 months in is no problem, even if it costs a little to get something better, more fun, and thinner/smaller.
I for one am wanting WM6 more than the i760, but since I get a new device, it will work out...
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