Hope you all do know that "Ethan" is not his real name.....cause I am afraid some "very inquisitive" person might decide to get some time on their hand and start dialing numbers that "might" somehow accidentally access "Ethan at VZW".......... I am still laughing at some posts that are going so far as to already mention "class action suits".....geez, this device has NOT even come out yet ..........we have already sentenced this device and sent it off to a "cell" with the book thrown at it and the keys thrown away. Its funny to see how "attorneys" have started to troll this site to drum up business or even to stir up some activity using legal terminologies..............NE2 was what now?????
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"Our New Every Two program CAN provide you with the latest in digital phone technology every two years. And Verizon Wireless is the first company to offer it."
"No matter what the future advancements in mobile communications might be, you'll always have the OPTION to enjoy the latest features available."
Unless there is more too it (I've never had a cell phone last two years so I've never read the T&C on NE2), I don't see any legally binding obligation that you must be offered the latest in technology. I agree with mrailing, you aren't owed anything. You have the option if you choose to get a new phone every two years. If you don't like what's offered at that time, then switch providers. Your contract is up.
I'd like to see someone try and sue for "emotional distress" caused by an inferior product lineup... you'd be laughed out of court. At least I would hope so...
Hope you all do know that "Ethan" is not his real name.....cause I am afraid some "very inquisitive" person might decide to get some time on their hand and start dialing numbers that "might" somehow accidentally access "Ethan at VZW".......... I am still laughing at some posts that are going so far as to already mention "class action suits".....geez, this device has NOT even come out yet ..........we have already sentenced this device and sent it off to a "cell" with the book thrown at it and the keys thrown away. Its funny to see how "attorneys" have started to troll this site to drum up business or even to stir up some activity using legal terminologies..............NE2 was what now?????
Just "for the record," you ain't talkin' 'bout me. Unless someone is dead, dying, or incapacitated, I'm not involved.
Now to get back on topic, based on all the recent reports and the fact that dummy phones are starting to show up in stores, I'm predicting a general release sometime in mid-September. Whether a B2B release occurs first, I don't know. However, if the B2B release is different than the general release, I suspect the B2B release will be the tail end of this month, or the first week in September. Take that for whatever it's worth. I've got no connections anywhere; I'm just putting together the pieces of the puzzle.
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Really guys, can we quit being such apologists for Verizon?...
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but it's so much fun.
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This is ridiculous. Over three pages EVERY FREAKIN DAY worth of off-topic rants. -You could pull off topic posts like these 19 from any given day in this MASSIVE thread (weren't there 19 on some dude named "pookie" alone one day!?).
I dont know how everyone else is doing on time, but checking this one thread is the extent of my daily online recreational activities. I check this one thread 2-3 times a day for one reason... To see IF THERE IS ANYTHING NEWLY REPORTED ON THE RELEASE OF THE i760!!! That's it.
All I want is my info "fix" for my unhealthy obsession with this one device. I couldnt care less about anything else. I dont care if you hate verizon, if you hate those who hate verizon, if you are planning to sue, i dont care about the bee gees, other devices, GSMs, anything iPhone, or people that may or may not be able to spell.
Sorry to ramble on, but it kinda pisses me off to have to sift through these endless posts about nothing, only to try and find the one or two relevant posts each day. I just dont have the time. I'm sure you're all nice people with very neat, interesting and funny things to say, but please take it to the appropriate threads...
Mods....PLEEEEEEASE do those of us who come here to read and contribute relevant info a HUGE favor and follow through on your repeated threats and DELETE ALL THESE OFF-TOPIC POSTS (starting with this one)!!!
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From my mother's unlce's counsin's brother's setpfather's paperboy who works part time in Verizon North pole. He says it'll be here xmas. Would you rather actually hear that brassMONKEY? Because that's how 99% of the rumors are going, unless they are from our esteemed mods.....
To throw my mundane opinion into the mix - there is a compalint thread about VZW business practices in the i760 forum. THAT is a perfect place to state your discontent about VZW and their lack of phones, choice, etc.
Sorry to agree with many of the posters here but, whether or not you have the RIGHT to be angry is not really the issue. Everyone has the RIGHT!!! No one is arguing that so please don't so vehemently argue that people are trying to take your rights away. Most people agree with you.
However, out of COURTESY, there are many of us that are checking these boards (as Brassmonkey says) to get quick snippets of info during our work or travel time and it is difficult to sift through all of the complaints and other stuff. Again, not telling anyone not to be upset, just please be courteous and post in the correct forums. Thank you VERY much!!!
For my on topic remark - I have seen a few people comment about the B2B vs. consumer rollout. Now this may have changed in the past few years but I have not had problems getting phones (i.e. the i730) when they first came out on the B2B channels directly through a VZW store (not a subcontractor store though like a mall kiosk). I did not have luck calling VZW or ordering online but when I went into the VZW store I had no problem walking out with the 730 and accessories the day it hit on B2B. Just an FYI for newer folks that you MAY not have to wait the standard 2 weeks if there is a B2B rollout.
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Please allow me to be ever so kind here. I have been around these boards a lonnnnnnnng time. I have read many posts and written many posts. I think I understand the rules of the forum as well as most anyone does. I fully understand the frustration of some folks here who think that this thread is the hotline to all earth-shaking news about the i760 - but - this is a RUMOR thread, and as was stated thousands of posts ago, rumor threads have always proven to have precious little value. But, everyone likes to read them and post all their little "discoveries." But, out of the thousands of posts in this thread, I bet that there are really only maybe a total of 100 that have any REAL inside information. The remainder are varieties of people talking about what they think, what they believe, what they have heard from ill-informed people, etc, etc. And, all this while, VZW has said... ummmm.... , let me think..... uhhhhh.... oh, that's right - NOTHING.
So, for everyone here, especially those who have recently decided to vent their frustration toward anyone here who, because of the community we have developed, have had a little fun in a RUMOR thread.....
Yes and no. He's getting information together for me to release and figuring out what won't give his identity.
Basically it's what we have been hearing, second or third week of September release. Hopefully I can get more out of him that I can release...
Geez, an actual release rumor on the Verizon bashing thread.
Thank Ethan for me for tolerating us.
I'm heading to Italy and renting a motorcycle for a couple weeks in mid September. When I get back I expect everyone to have figured out all of the hacks I'll need for this device.
Forgive me in advance as it is not my intention for you to take any of my observations personally, I am merely trying to stop this dancing around the actual VZW contract and NE2 language which speaks for itself. DIAR valiantly tried to remind us all of VZW's own language and contractual promises in post 4504 and we already have gone completely off the rails.
Every day customers sign new two year contracts, they purchase phones which start their NE2 clock ticking and other customers have their NE2 come up for redemption. VZW knows there will be NE2 redemptions every day, it will be an ongoing program and it must comply with the terms set forth every day. So what exactly does VZW promise they will do for their NE2 customers, some of which will redeem their NE2 discount every day?
"Our New Every Two program can provide you with the LATEST in digital phone technology every two years. And Verizon Wireless is the first company to offer it."
"No matter what the future advancements in mobile communications might be, you'll always have the option to enjoy the latest features available."
So VZW has promised us that we will always have the LATEST in mobile communications advancements to choose from when our NE2 comes up for use. and we will always be able "to enjoy the latest features available."
LATEST has a real-word meaning and it is not to be taken lightly. It does not mean kind of neat, incremental improvement, kinda like the stuff other carriers have released months ago, nor does it mean devices with GIN and VCAST, nor does it mean "new tech" a term not in my NE2 agreement that you have inserted and then interpreted. VZW has promised me and every other NE2 customer that no matter when our NE2 becomes available for use, VZW will provide us with the LATEST in digital phone technology as it applies to our original purchase subject to NE2, which does indeed include smartphones and in fact every category of phones for which NE2 is offered. It really is just that simple.
Simply saying that the rumored new smartphones are new(er) as compared to older phones released is irrelevant. VZW did not promise me in writing that my NE2 would get me something "newer" than my old device, it promised a device with the "LATEST features available in mobile communications, NO MATTER WHAT THOSE FUTURE ADVANCEMENTS MIGHT BE." No room for dancing around and making excuses. VZW does owe me what they contractually promised me as an inducement to purchase a device on a two-year contract. Any first year law student will confirm this for you.
VZW may not owe me an i760 or any other particular device that they have not publicly announced, but the i760 does not meet the criteria of the NE2 LATEST technology, so no problem. All I care about is that my NE2 came up last May and VZW did not then and does not now have a smartphone that contains "the LATEST features in mobile communications, no matter what those advancements might be."
No matter what mrailing or any one says about "VZW doesn't owe us anything", every VZW customer with a two-year contract and NE2 is owed by contract a selection of the LATEST devices. That is a contractual obligation, pure and simple. Personally I don't care who VZW gets the devices from or what devices they are, all I care about is that they are indeed the LATEST as promised, not devices released in some cases a year ago in Canada.
If you thought the v710 class-action was fun, wait until the sharks looking at this as a class action go after VZW. The only ones who will benefit will be the lawyers.
Back on topic...two VZW stores in Richmond and one in Williamsburg I visited today while out and about all denied having any demo phones and did not want to discuss the i760 even though I know several of the people in the stores including a manager interested in the i760 and 6800 personally. Some told me the VZW focus is still on the 8830. Bummer.
I agree and will further say that the only thing that VZW should really owe us is a great net work. If the manufactures had a chance they would sell us great devices. The coupling of the two under VZW business model is what is wrong. It's a conflict of interest.
I have and many other s have said, we would not think of purchasing our PC's from our cable company. Why should this be any different? Yes there is the FCC part but the manufactures can still comply with the FCC and work with the cell service providers on the radio stuff specific for their network.
They only NE2 that should be honored is that I will resign up for another 2 years with VZW because they have a great net work and instead of $100.00 to go toward a device have it go toward my next service bill.
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Hope you all do know that "Ethan" is not his real name.....cause I am afraid some "very inquisitive" person might decide to get some time on their hand and start dialing numbers that "might" somehow accidentally access "Ethan at VZW".......... I am still laughing at some posts that are going so far as to already mention "class action suits".....geez, this device has NOT even come out yet ..........we have already sentenced this device and sent it off to a "cell" with the book thrown at it and the keys thrown away. Its funny to see how "attorneys" have started to troll this site to drum up business or even to stir up some activity using legal terminologies..............NE2 was what now?????
equus with all do respect, the frustraiton is not with any specific device but the lack there of.
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Yes, this is a bit off-topic but relevant to our waiting... the Moto Q9m is now posted on testman.verizonwireless.com
So there is hope that we should eventually see the i760 show up there...
That is all... thanks.
Yep, it's there for me too (zip=76006). But unlike posts above, the price lists at 299 with 2 yr contract, with -100 for an online discount. If you can combine the NE2 (can you do that with an online discount?), it's down to 99. They also list a mail in rebate for 50, putting you at 49.
I'm guessing that not all the discounts or rebates will be there for actual release, but if they are---that is one heckuva deal.
Just got out of a meeting with a national account manager. Got stonewalled on any release information and now I am under an NDA.
Sorry folks guess I will be relegated to observer status at this point and really didn't gain any useful information other than an obscure "Q4" reference post meeting.
Please allow me to be ever so kind here. I have been around these boards a lonnnnnnnng time. I have read many posts and written many posts. I think I understand the rules of the forum as well as most anyone does. I fully understand the frustration of some folks here who think that this thread is the hotline to all earth-shaking news about the i760 - but - this is a RUMOR thread, and as was stated thousands of posts ago, rumor threads have always proven to have precious little value. But, everyone likes to read them and post all their little "discoveries." But, out of the thousands of posts in this thread, I bet that there are really only maybe a total of 100 that have any REAL inside information. The remainder are varieties of people talking about what they think, what they believe, what they have heard from ill-informed people, etc, etc. And, all this while, VZW has said... ummmm.... , let me think..... uhhhhh.... oh, that's right - NOTHING.
So, for everyone here, especially those who have recently decided to vent their frustration toward anyone here who, because of the community we have developed, have had a little fun in a RUMOR thread.....
I really appreciate the pastor's "count to ten and come up with something sensitive and valuable" approach. There is definitely a community attitude in this type of thread. I've been able to contribute a little bit to it, and others in this group continue to often, even if it's off topic, to share very insightful, community oriented information. Lots of value in that in my opinion.
We've been asked to share some of our off-topic information in a couple threads that have been set up for that type of conversation (I still love Mark's humor thread ). However, it's not really an exact science separating the wheat from the tares. I hope we'll enjoy the community, try the "count to ten" rule, and also do our best to organize the forum as we've been asked to - and I'm sure we'll be reminded again.
Beyond that,A GOOD SUGGESTION:
Make the best of both worlds. There is much to be gained from the OT conversation, and there is also the need to quickly find the i760 release meat (I agree that finding that information can be time consuming). I believe that real release news is a little more "black and white". If you really have something new justadd the little yellow exclamation point icon to the post. You know if you have new/relevant information or if you're just posting your latest trip to look at the dummy phone. Yes, there will be some disagreement even about what is yellow-exclamation-point-icon worthy, but I think it would help the "Brass Monkey" in all of us to filter through the mess and also enjoy the conversation when we have the time.
I don't mean to by the Jr. Moderator here, so I hope this type of post doesn't step on toes. Lots of thanks to those who work hard to make these rambling threads a little more cohesive.
From my mother's unlce's counsin's brother's setpfather's paperboy who works part time in Verizon North pole. He says it'll be here xmas. Would you rather actually hear that brassMONKEY? Because that's how 99% of the rumors are going, unless they are from our esteemed mods....
-BINNER
haha, no, I really dont wanna read all of those either. But at least all the newbie "I just went to the Verizon store in (insert your home town) and the manager didnt really know anything..." posts are ON TOPIC!!! Newbies...bless their little hearts
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...I have been around these boards a lonnnnnnnng time. I have read many posts and written many posts. I think I understand the rules of the forum as well as most anyone does.
It certainly doesn't appear so or you'd heed the repeated words of the mods and take it to the appropriate thread. As GadgetNut said, it's really a matter of courtesy. -I'd think the religious right would get that.
I don't want to offend you -I'm sure some people probably even find all your off topic posts interesting. I would just ask that you please take it to the right place.
This is an information based site. Nothing wrong with enjoying each other's company along the way, but if it is "social networking" you're after, I'm sure there are more than a few sites out there for ya. -Or just take it to Mark's humor thread.
Its just like when people post without searching. It just makes it much harder for everyone to find what they are looking for!
Hopefully the 760 will be here soon enough and we can get back to helping each other make these devices ROCK!!
Just picked up a copy of Best Life Magazine..... and went to their website. Listed under there tech section is the i760. It does not have a release date or even the carrier but it is featured as there top phone against the iPhone and appears to be a new picture. It is their August issue.
I am still laughing at some posts that are going so far as to already mention "class action suits".....geez, this device has NOT even come out yet ..........we have already sentenced this device and sent it off to a "cell" with the book thrown at it and the keys thrown away. Its funny to see how "attorneys" have started to troll this site to drum up business or even to stir up some activity using legal terminologies..............NE2 was what now?????
). However, it's not really an exact science separating the wheat from the tares. I hope we'll enjoy the community, try the "count to ten" rule, and also do our best to organize the forum as we've been asked to - and I'm sure we'll be reminded again.
A GOOD SUGGESTION:
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