Please knock off the "doomsday" attitude.......... it will be here very,very soon y'all have waited this long, so give it a rest. As far as REV A in it,as I said before our test units did NOT have that chip, but theere were a few that Samsung was shipping over that had it but as y'all now what happened next !!!! There was a long debate on how it could be done , what it would take and all that jazz....please remember VZW is leaning towards pix & flix, Vcast, music and little things to get the younger crowd. Business customers are who they are after with PDA's. Businesses have DEFINITELY asked for ALL the stuff we power users want to be NOT in the unit as it makes their IT dept look "bad" as they have no way of support once they get deployed in the field. Yet, VZW is making some changes that you all will like and enjoy. Its NOT too far off now for sales as all the internal infrastructure just got set in place. That's all I can say now...... on a side note please be very careful in installing third party wares as a lot of them are not yet "street ready"..........Vista will give you a little heartache.....IF you have XP make sure you completely DELETE ANY remants of i730 or the old AS that has anything belonging to WM5, install a clean version of AS and then you will be happy, make sure you have a clean i760 FIRST, sync contacts and calenders then do a back-up, save that as your best and then go start getting crazy with any hacks you want to try. Oh, also charge the battery for atleast 6 hours before you activate it.
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Funny it worked.....the last time!!Now I am not sure what was working before they put a hole in my head!!!!
Please knock off the "doomsday" attitude.......... it will be here very,very soon y'all have waited this long, so give it a rest. As far as REV A in it,as I said before our test units did NOT have that chip, but theere were a few that Samsung was shipping over that had it but as y'all now what happened next !!!! There was a long debate on how it could be done , what it would take and all that jazz....please remember VZW is leaning towards pix & flix, Vcast, music and little things to get the younger crowd. Business customers are who they are after with PDA's. Businesses have DEFINITELY asked for ALL the stuff we power users want to be NOT in the unit as it makes their IT dept look "bad" as they have no way of support once they get deployed in the field. Yet, VZW is making some changes that you all will like and enjoy. Its NOT too far off now for sales as all the internal infrastructure just got set in place. That's all I can say now...... on a side note please be very careful in installing third party wares as a lot of them are not yet "street ready"..........Vista will give you a little heartache.....IF you have XP make sure you completely DELETE ANY remants of i730 or the old AS that has anything belonging to WM5, install a clean version of AS and then you will be happy, make sure you have a clean i760 FIRST, sync contacts and calenders then do a back-up, save that as your best and then go start getting crazy with any hacks you want to try. Oh, also charge the battery for atleast 6 hours before you activate it.
equus, I'm going to go just a little off-topic since you were giving us some advice about using/setting up the i760.
With the WM5 upgrade, we i730 users lost the ability to filter which categories of contacts were synced to the i730. Will we recover that ability with WM6 and the i760?
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-Jay The Fine Print:Nothing in this post (or any of my other posts) is intended to constitute legal advice or the establishment of an attorney-client relationship. For purposes of this forum, I'm just another nerd like you. :-)
This bromide of "VZW hasn't announced new PPCs and owes subscribers nothing," while still legally defensible, doesn't cut it. What's wrong with self-righteous conceit is that it comports with neither a carrier's duty of care nor free market economics.
The problem is anti-competitive arrogance, and all US carriers are guilty. The technology is available to
1) support wireless devices of enormously greater capability than we get, and
2) roll them out not every two years, but continuously.
In a rational environment, we wouldn't be complaining. Our choices would be overwhelming.
For starters, HTC, MOT, palm, RIM and Sammy would each release at least two PPCs for CDMA every six months. Even Nokia and SE would probably weigh in. And new players would emerge like flies.
Best of all, every new device would drop within days of FCC approval. No more late releases of then-stale hardware.
Remember, in the US, CDMA represents over 125mm subscribers. If 10% are potential PPC users, then 12.5mm units are up for grabs (probably annually). At an average selling price of $300, it's a $3.75B market; at $400, it's a $5B market. Everyone wants in on the action.
Calling Mark_A_K! Liberate devices from the tyranny of carrier control, and Let Freedom Ring.
--BAM
While I have a 6800 and am waiting for the XV6800, I am interested in the i760. Having noticed the angst many of us waiting for VZW PDA Phones have endured and that KBAM has at times addressed in a eloquent way, I am posting this info which I got today and posted at HoFo.
We have for too long assumed we who are PDA Phone users are a small minority of customers with no significant financial impact on VZW, so we just have to wait and take whatever Big Red doles out, whenever they decide to do so. Turns out we have been wrong. We are the the money machine, not the family plans, and there is real data to demonstrate this is so. If VZW wants to make the most money and the highest margins they need to focus on the smartphone market, not selling ringtones.
InStat studies have put a fine point on what many have long suspected, business users, and particularly road warriors are the money machine for carriers.
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz., Aug. 6 -- Wireless operators are failing to make high average revenue per user (ARPU) users in North America feel special, reports In-Stat (http://www.in-stat.com). More than 60% of these users do not feel that their wireless operator appreciates their business, and 80% believe that operators should do more, the high-tech market research firm says.
“The kind of appreciation these users would like to see include loyalty programs where subscribers earn points for awards, free or low-cost directory assistance, and free batteries and travel chargers,” says Bill Hughes, In-Stat analyst. “The good news for operators is that these three awards could be turned into even more revenue. For example, directory assistance directly encourages more calling, and offering more batteries and charging options ensures that heavy users can always make a call.”
Recent research by In-Stat found the following:
* Compared to all business users, road warriors are three times more likely to have an ARPU over $150, own a smartphone, and use several mobile data services.
* The ARPU for road warriors who are also smartphone users is over $200. This is more than four times the monthly revenue for US mobile phone users.
However, the greatest factor for higher ARPU is the use of a smartphone. The expected revenue of a smartphone subscriber is $3,500 higher than for a cellular phone user that travels the same amount. It would more than pay for itself for a wireless operator to simply give the most expensive smartphone in the catalog to a high-ARPU mobile phone user.
The immediate challenge is making these users more satisfied and less likely to churn. There has been little effort to discriminate on behalf of these users. The wireless operator with the best high-ARPU loyalty program will see the benefits on the bottom line.
Based upon the surveys in several recent reports, In-Stat has found that the conventional wisdom in the wireless industry significantly underestimates the value of mobile business usage. Corporate-liable customers produce the majority of profit and individually liable subscribers contribute most of the remaining profit for wireless operators. Converting corporate customers to assume corporate liability is also in their best interests. Whatever the operators' current strategy for attracting mobile business, the profitability of this segment, along with the growth of mobile data applications for business, indicates that devoting more resources to retain these customers is money well-spent.
Failure to address this market has the potential to leave wireless operators vulnerable to the coming wave of new mobile data operators that will serve the rapidly growing mobile data needs of these customers if given the chance.
As many have suspected for some time, VZW gets more revenue (and more profitable revenue) from smartphone and corporate users and the associated corporate backend services (server based, etc) than all the GIN and BREW garbage they can cram down a Chocolate's throat. It's time VZW wakes up and takes care of the real money machine or they may just end up with a bunch of family plans wondering how they are ever going to sell enough ringtones and games to make up for the loss of their smartphone users.
A little O/T but take it for what its worth. If VZW is installing GIN and all that jazz on the i760 after last weekend i can see why. I had a family reunion and I had close to 170+ relative come in. Little over half were young adults and teens. What surprised me most were the kinds of phones they were using. They weren't using RAZRs and other "hip" phones. They were using Wings, Moguls, 8525's, i730s, blackberrys, etc. So if Verizon thinks they can tap into this part of the market more power to them.
I think I'm going to take a short walk (10 minutes) down to my local verizon wireless store once every day until the i760 comes out so I can be one of the first to get it.
I doubt my store will ever get it though, because they are quite possibly the worst Verizon retailer I've ever visited.
BTW, it's this store - 6070 Johnson Dr # D
Pleasanton, CA
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I guess my best bet is to buy online, or tell Verizon to shove it where the sun don't shine and move to another carrier.
A little O/T but take it for what its worth. If VZW is installing GIN and all that jazz on the i760 after last weekend i can see why. I had a family reunion and I had close to 170+ relative come in. Little over half were young adults and teens. What surprised me most were the kinds of phones they were using. They weren't using RAZRs and other "hip" phones. They were using Wings, Moguls, 8525's, i730s, blackberrys, etc. So if Verizon thinks they can tap into this part of the market more power to them.
I almost see nobody in my area with any form of a PDA phone, even at my college.
Please knock off the "doomsday" attitude.......... it will be here very,very soon y'all have waited this long, so give it a rest. As far as REV A in it,as I said before our test units did NOT have that chip, but theere were a few that Samsung was shipping over that had it but as y'all now what happened next !!!! There was a long debate on how it could be done , what it would take and all that jazz....please remember VZW is leaning towards pix & flix, Vcast, music and little things to get the younger crowd. Business customers are who they are after with PDA's. Businesses have DEFINITELY asked for ALL the stuff we power users want to be NOT in the unit as it makes their IT dept look "bad" as they have no way of support once they get deployed in the field. Yet, VZW is making some changes that you all will like and enjoy. Its NOT too far off now for sales as all the internal infrastructure just got set in place. That's all I can say now...... on a side note please be very careful in installing third party wares as a lot of them are not yet "street ready"..........Vista will give you a little heartache.....IF you have XP make sure you completely DELETE ANY remants of i730 or the old AS that has anything belonging to WM5, install a clean version of AS and then you will be happy, make sure you have a clean i760 FIRST, sync contacts and calenders then do a back-up, save that as your best and then go start getting crazy with any hacks you want to try. Oh, also charge the battery for atleast 6 hours before you activate it.
OH MAN! THAT'S IT! I'V HAD IT!!!
You mean I have tyo wait 6 hours to charge it before I get to use it?
That's the last straw.
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VZW, It's 2009! Time to embrace technology, not suppress it. - oops too late I've moved on over to the iPhone w/ AT$T!
..............We have for too long assumed we who are PDA Phone users are a small minority of customers with no significant financial impact on VZW, so we just have to wait and take whatever Big Red doles out, whenever they decide to do so. Turns out we have been wrong. We are the the money machine, not the family plans, and there is real data to demonstrate this is so. If VZW wants to make the most money and the highest margins they need to focus on the smartphone market, not selling ringtones..............
Interesting post. I have known this for a long time. I will let the rest of you in on a little secret. NE2 is relative. If you spend enough money monthly, VZW will give you the discount early. I have always received the discount whether it has been 2 years or not (mostly not).
Also, back on topic.....my new VZW rep called me a couple weeks ago. I told him not to contact me until he can sell me a i760. He sent me an email and wants to have lunch next Wednesday. So maybe a release next week? or he could just be hungry.
Eli, I want the i760 as much as you do, but if VZW released it today and it was full of problems (network, user interfaces) or anything else, how happy would we be then.
I want the new phone, too, but will wait (as much as it is killing me) until it is released and released properly with few bugs and grief as possible.
I guess I cant be mad at VW for trying to sell old crap since that's all they currently have. Here's a current online chat session for when I was trying to inquire about the i760:
A Verizon Wireless online pre-sales specialist has joined the chat. You are now chatting with Michelle.
You: Morning Michelle
Michelle.: Hello. Thank you for visiting our chat service. How may I help you today?
Michelle.: Good morning, how can I assist you with your online order today?
You: I was that the Samsung i760 was released but I cannot find it on the site. Do you know if it was released as of yet?
Michelle.: It has not been released at Verizon and we do not have any information regarding this phone as of yet, we do have other phones online, what features in a phone are you looking for?
You: im looking for something like the iPhone
Michelle.: Are you looking for a phone that plays music or can go online ?
You: both as well as play video's etc
Michelle.: I'm sorry for the delay. I'll be right with you.
Michelle.: Our pdas can go online and have a media player 10 integrated in the phone, they can go to sites and you can view the videos as well, the Palm 700 wx has a touch screen and is a really nice pda, and has removable memory and and the media player integrated in the phone
You: i dont like the Palms' the screen is too small
You: i was looking for something like the 8525 that at&t has
Michelle.: the 6700 xv is the most similar phone to this one and it is on a better network
Michelle.: The XV6700 is just another one of our formidable additions to the advanced devices product line-up. Loaded with Microsoft Windows Mobile 5.0, Bluetooth technology, Built-in WiFi, and Broadband-like speed -- this Pocket PC means business.
Michelle.: You will also get free shipping when you order your phone online today.
You: yes, but 6800 version to that phone was released on the sprint network over a month ago
You: i need something with windows mobile 6
Michelle.: We do not have any phones at this time with the 6.0 os from windows, the 700 wx and the xv 6700 are the 2 newest phones we have online
You: ok, thanks. Both are very old and not worth spending money on. i guess I will go with at&t's 8525. Thanks for the effort though.
Michelle.: Is there anything else I can help you with today?
I find that funny, others might view it differently!
Eli, I want the i760 as much as you do, but if VZW released it today and it was full of problems (network, user interfaces) or anything else, how happy would we be then.
I want the new phone, too, but will wait (as much as it is killing me) until it is released and released properly with few bugs and grief as possible.
I wait.
Your friend Joel
I would agree with you, but VZW has been practicing run-away scope-creep. They seem to have added GIN and Rev A AFTER the thing was tested. Now, it is several months old still no announcement planned. I am starting to view this device as being obsolete. From the specs, the 6800 looks marginally better, so I am no longer considering the 760.
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If VZW loads the i760 up with GIN(get It Now, right?) vcast, etc are they just windows install packages? Namely can we uninstall them? I appreciated the VZW bin on my i730 as there really wasn't any bloatware.
To chime in on the PDA/normal phone ratio...
None of my college friends have PDAs. In groups of 100+ I am the only one with a big clunky phone. Razr's and the popular slim LG phone that VZW carries constitute more than 90%.
If VZW loads the i760 up with GIN(get It Now, right?) vcast, etc are they just windows install packages? Namely can we uninstall them? I appreciated the VZW bin on my i730 as there really wasn't any bloatware.
If the bloatware is loaded from the EXTRom during the first boot, threre are ways to deal with that, but if they are burned onto the ROM itself, fagetabout it. But also remember, that if it is on the ROM, it does not take up any user memory, so it really will not matter.
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HTC TyTN II - WM6.1 - on the new at&t - and loving it! "Fact veracity is not based on the validity of the source, but on the last thing posted."
As we have all been talking about the fact that the specs on the 760 vs. the 6800, is it possible that the 760 could have been so long in release limbo because they are 1) working the bugs out of the GIN and 2) maybe adding dome more memory to handle GIN (elves with hammers and screwdrivers in the back of ml3000's friends store)?
If this was the case, would there be more FCC approval required and would this be the reason the NDA was set up with the FCC?
I hope they let PDA users add the vcast vpak as a data plan
That would be great for customers who are more experienced PDA users (like most of us), but it would not be great for the customers who demand OOTB solutions. Without being facetious, I wonder which market VZW is aiming these devices at. I would think that the very nature of a PDA goes a bit counter to the OOTB approach, but who knows what their marketing has determined? We will find out soon enough.
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HTC TyTN II - WM6.1 - on the new at&t - and loving it! "Fact veracity is not based on the validity of the source, but on the last thing posted."
As we have all been talking about the fact that the specs on the 760 vs. the 6800, is it possible that the 760 could have been so long in release limbo because they are 1) working the bugs out of the GIN and 2) maybe adding dome more memory to handle GIN (elves with hammers and screwdrivers in the back of ml3000's friends store)?
If this was the case, would there be more FCC approval required and would this be the reason the NDA was set up with the FCC?
This has been answered several times in this thread. The answer is, it depends on what or if the changes were. More importantly, since none of us have seen the actual submition due to proprietary protection, there is no way to answer that.
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y'all have waited this long, so give it a rest. As far as REV A in it,as I said before our test units did NOT have that chip, but theere were a few that Samsung was shipping over that had it but as y'all now what happened next !!!! There was a long debate on how it could be done , what it would take and all that jazz....please remember VZW is leaning towards pix & flix, Vcast, music and little things to get the younger crowd. Business customers are who they are after with PDA's. Businesses have DEFINITELY asked for ALL the stuff we power users want to be NOT in the unit as it makes their IT dept look "bad" as they have no way of support once they get deployed in the field. Yet, VZW is making some changes that you all will like and enjoy. Its NOT too far off now for sales as all the internal infrastructure just got set in place. That's all I can say now......
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