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last week the Samsung SCH-i760 was in there and now its not. When i look up the phone it says September. I hope its wrong.
That website has changed the release date each month to always be the following month. They change it all the time...
Again, we hear from people here every day saying soon, next month, in a couple of weeks, but these are all rumors. We have seen a slide presented by Verizon at a meeting saying August, Ethan said August (last time I talked to him), and we have had many long time members reporting August from their B2B reps.
This is why you have to look at all of the different reports and make up your own mind. Until Verizon tells us by announcing it on their website, then we can only speculate by the rumors, and as of right now, the majority of them point to sometime in August.
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I just checked that image and it shows the 760 as being released in August but it is showing the GSM version of the phone (I think).
What ever the case is, mrailing is right about our lack of influence on the carriers (in this case ZVW) but it sure would be nice if the delays were due to somebody at VZW reading this and other posts and thinking that they should make sure it is Rev. A capable out of the box or maybe realizing the they would be able to sell this item for a higher price if it were more comparable to the 6800's memory.
I'll keep checking around but I have to feed my fairy right now
I think as we get closer to release, VZW is resorting to leaking misinformation via some users here to keep us on our heels. And I think they are having fun with it to be honest. Despite their smugness about their "network" VZW does have a good network, and to make the 760 Rev A compatible would give it a marketable feature against the Kaiser and iph*ne. It would be a very smart decision as it would make the decision to jump ship that much harder.
I think as we get closer to release, VZW is resorting to leaking misinformation via some users here to keep us on our heels. And I think they are having fun with it to be honest. Despite their smugness about their "network" VZW does have a good network, and to make the 760 Rev A compatible would give it a marketable feature against the Kaiser and iph*ne. It would be a very smart decision as it would make the decision to jump ship that much harder.
I'm sorry, but that's just a bit silly. There's no way that VZW would be trying to spread false info to "keep us on our heels". We are a minority of their user base who they really don't consider during their marketing campaigns. Even if they did for some reason decide to direct some attention toward the exceedingly small percentage of their userbase that follows yet-to-be-released devices, it would do them absolutely no good to spread disinformation, because all it would do is piss us off.
I think as we get closer to release, VZW is resorting to leaking misinformation via some users here to keep us on our heels. And I think they are having fun with it to be honest. Despite their smugness about their "network" VZW does have a good network, and to make the 760 Rev A compatible would give it a marketable feature against the Kaiser and iph*ne. It would be a very smart decision as it would make the decision to jump ship that much harder.
You are really deceiving yourselves if you think that VZW would think about that, or play any such games. Although there may be some employees that read this forum, I can virtually guarantee you that no one there is sitting around and saying "What can we do to string those PDAPhone people along a while longer." In fact, I think that they couldn't care less about what anyone here thinks about any release date. They do what they do, and decide what they decide for one reason - to make money. And, frankly, even though we pay the most for our phones, after that purchase, we are not the group that makes the profit wheel spin for them. And that includes anyone here who buys hundreds or thousands of PDA phones for their company. We are but a mere blip on their radar.
The i760 will be released if and when VZW wants to release it, and only then because they believe it will fit into their profit structure best.
You are really deceiving yourselves if you think that VZW would think about that, or play any such games. Although there may be some employees that read this forum, I can virtually guarantee you that no one there is sitting around and saying "What can we do to string those PDAPhone people along a while longer." In fact, I think that they couldn't care less about what anyone here thinks about any release date. They do what they do, and decide what they decide for one reason - to make money. And, frankly, even though we pay the most for our phones, after that purchase, we are not the group that makes the profit wheel spin for them. And that includes anyone here who buys hundreds or thousands of PDA phones for their company. We are but a mere blip on their radar.
The i760 will be released if and when VZW wants to release it, and only then because they believe it will fit into their profit structure best.
Amen!
As Michael mentioned yesterday, VZW doesn't owe us anything so we have no right to be upset that VZW hasn't announced, let alone released, the i760. This is a free market economy. If you're not happy with VZW--for whatever reason--you have a choice, which is to change carriers. Theoretically, if enough people are unhappy with VZW's practices and leave VZW will have two options: (1) change its practices or (2) close its doors. It's as simple as that.
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You are really deceiving yourselves if you think that VZW would think about that, or play any such games. Although there may be some employees that read this forum, I can virtually guarantee you that no one there is sitting around and saying "What can we do to string those PDAPhone people along a while longer." In fact, I think that they couldn't care less about what anyone here thinks about any release date. They do what they do, and decide what they decide for one reason - to make money. And, frankly, even though we pay the most for our phones, after that purchase, we are not the group that makes the profit wheel spin for them. And that includes anyone here who buys hundreds or thousands of PDA phones for their company. We are but a mere blip on their radar.
The i760 will be released if and when VZW wants to release it, and only then because they believe it will fit into their profit structure best.
...And adding to your thought. How many of the people at the top of VZW are really coming to work thinking, "Wow, I love the wireless business. What can I do to really improve the wireless world?" Or, how many are saying, "Wow, I love this business, and I'm so excited about this new phone [pick a unit, it doesn't matter which one]. What can I do to make sure the public really appreciates this new piece of equipment as much as I do?"
It's not awful, it's business, but the bottom line is, the people running VZW come to work saying to themselves something along the lines of, "What can I do to make sure that my revenue stream is growing faster than mold on Mississippi bread?"
I believe that leads to dumbing down and delays, but the competitive market also leads to improved technology. I really do believe the i760 will be worth the wait - if only to see what happens when iProb8 celebrates his birthday.
That website has changed the release date each month to always be the following month. They change it all the time...
Again, we hear from people here every day saying soon, next month, in a couple of weeks, but these are all rumors. We have seen a slide presented by Verizon at a meeting saying August, Ethan said August (last time I talked to him), and we have had many long time members reporting August from their B2B reps.
This is why you have to look at all of the different reports and make up your own mind. Until Verizon tells us by announcing it on their website, then we can only speculate by the rumors, and as of right now, the majority of them point to sometime in August.
I made my own inquiries at work (very large multinational) and it seems we're under NDA so I can't reveal the date but I can say that mrailing's post should be taken seriously. I'm looking forward to my i760.
As Michael mentioned yesterday, VZW doesn't owe us anything so we have no right to be upset that VZW hasn't announced, let alone released, the i760. This is a free market economy. If you're not happy with VZW--for whatever reason--you have a choice, which is to change carriers. Theoretically, if enough people are unhappy with VZW's practices and leave VZW will have two options: (1) change its practices or (2) close its doors. It's as simple as that.
I am not sure how I feel about this.
I do not want to sound the bell for Round 2 of this fight, but I think that it is a shame that those who own i730s and are eligible for NE2 do not have a decent phone available for upgrade. Offering a deal to consumers and not truly holding up its end of the bargain is what I feel VZW has done to i730 owners. In a free market, companies are supposed to honor contracts. I do not have i730, but from what I have heard from others on this thread, the stability of that device has been shaky for quite some time. 2 years should have been the maximum amount of time all of you i730 users had to wait for an upgrade.
At the same time, you are right about our choice as consumers in the free market. I personally have a Samsung flip phone and have been using it since Nov. 2004. I learned of the i760 around the time of NE2 date so I decided to hold out for its release. I do not have the money to pay for new gadgets everytime one comes out and I knew that the phone would be worth the wait. I have been waiting for almost a year now and I am starting to feel as if VZW would rather its consumers be in the dark about what they have to offer. It all goes back to the saying "Ignorance is bliss" because we would all be happy if we did not know about the i760 at all.
This information is a gift and a curse. Its great that we are attempting to be informed consumers because informed consumers are often rewarded for their effort. It is a curse because all of this information is rumor so we will never know what is true until we get our hands on the device.
<violin strings> Everytime I get sad because the phone still has not been released, I go look in the photos thread and wonder how much longer it will be until I get one of my own to hold forever.....</violin strings>
thatquietkid122 - The point I think Michael was making was that, even though you may be right, he is also right. Either way, this discussion does not belong in this thread and I have elected to respect that. I invite others to as well.
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thatquietkid122 - The point I think Michael was making was that, even though you may be right, he is also right. Either way, this discussion does not belong in this thread and I have elected to respect that. I invite others to as well.
I feel that I essentially said what Michael said by saying that this information is a gift and a curse. Its great to have this information but if you take it as fact, the disapointment is not VZW's fault, it is your own fault. That is why I try to self-soothe in the photo thread.
Also, being that my entire post was about releases and rumors, I felt that the post was relevant. If the thread is only for posting specific dates, I was unaware. I thought that discussing the release of the i760 and rumors of the i760 was fair game. Without some lively relevant discussion of the VZW i760 release and its preceeding rumors, Im not sure what we are supposed to do here.....
This is a free market economy. If you're not happy with VZW--for whatever reason--you have a choice, which is to change carriers.
Yup!!
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thatquietkid122 - The point I think Michael was making was that, even though you may be right, he is also right. Either way, this discussion does not belong in this thread and I have elected to respect that. I invite others to as well.
As Michael mentioned yesterday, VZW doesn't owe us anything so we have no right to be upset that VZW hasn't announced, let alone released, the i760. This is a free market economy. If you're not happy with VZW--for whatever reason--you have a choice, which is to change carriers. Theoretically, if enough people are unhappy with VZW's practices and leave VZW will have two options: (1) change its practices or (2) close its doors. It's as simple as that.
Let's not overstate the obvious
No Wireless provider is perfect or they would have all the customers. There are things each of us like about AT&T (mostly equipment, GSM, etc) and VZW ("the network" -- OK, it almost made me just saying "network") LOL.
If AT&T comes out with a device that works better for me and the network isn't a huge deal, then I'll switch. As it is, I'm on the fence with the Kaiser, we'll see. My argument is that VZW has a great network, yet their equip isn't as good as what AT&T currently has. If VZW would listen to people like us, they could have the best of both worlds and end up with a lot more customers... NOW that *would* make them more profitable. VZW, can you hear me now?
I'm sorry, but that's just a bit silly. There's no way that VZW would be trying to spread false info to "keep us on our heels". We are a minority of their user base who they really don't consider during their marketing campaigns. Even if they did for some reason decide to direct some attention toward the exceedingly small percentage of their userbase that follows yet-to-be-released devices, it would do them absolutely no good to spread disinformation, because all it would do is piss us off.
I would agree with you except that for some odd reason VZW won't even announce that they are carrying the phone or a projected release date. AT&T announced the iPhone months before it was released. Is there really any doubt that the phone is going to be released at this point? Why not announce it? Why are they so tight lipped and up in arms about leaks and firing people if they leak information about the phone? If they are this crazy about this information, then how difficult would it be to have a user make a post about another delay just so we don't come to a consensus over the release date. Most of what I am hearing is that it will be released towards the end of August. If this is the case, you would think VZW would be marketing the heck out it. Why aren't they? It just doesn't make sense to me.
OK, first and foremost, I REALIZE THAT THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT IS O/T, but I am really confused now so I feel the need to say it. My comment was about how release rumors are perceived and release rumors should be perceived. I even contributed by giving a suggestion of what to do when the wait for the i760 becomes unbearable. Is this thread really just for passing on 2nd hand rumored info with no discussion about the rumors at all?????
I would agree with you except that for some odd reason VZW won't even announce that they are carrying the phone or a projected release date. AT&T announced the iPhone months before it was released. Is there really any doubt that the phone is going to be released at this point? Why not announce it? Why are they so tight lipped and up in arms about leaks and firing people if they leak information about the phone? If they are this crazy about this information, then how difficult would it be to have a user make a post about another delay just so we don't come to a consensus over the release date. Most of what I am hearing is that it will be released towards the end of August. If this is the case, you would think VZW would be marketing the heck out it. Why aren't they? It just doesn't make sense to me.
You're comparing two completely different models. I'm not arguing that one makes more sense than the other, but your claim is as follows: Apple hyped the iPhone to death before it came out, and stuck to the release date they had set; verizon is tight-lipped about this phone, and the release date is slipping; thus verizon must be spreading disinformation. It just doesn't make sense.
To make more sense out of what's going on, I'll break it down:
Apples strategy: Be loud and proud, early on. Possible benefits:
generate excitement, people will be salivating come release time.
Possible drawbacks:
If there are any hardware/software/etc. problems, the release date could get pushed back and you have pissed off potential customers.
there is a theory that you will lose business now because people will hold off on buying something because they don't want their new gizmo to be outdated next week.
Verizon's strategy: Be quiet. Maybe hype the thing a week or two before release. Possible benefits:
No loss in sales because people have no idea what's around the corner.
No problem with people being mad if you miss a release date.
Possible drawbacks:
Potentially more difficult to create buzz. It's a lot easier to create demand for something people can't have.
As you can see, it's not so cut and dry that verizon is being crazy. I'm really not sure what the figures would end up saying if you directly compared devices. The iPhone did/is doing well, but you can't forget that the hardware appears to be leaps and bounds ahead of the competition. We could argue that all day.
Last edited by ldhertert : 08-03-2007 at 03:17 PM.
I think Apple's strategy for the iPhone was perfect simply because what would keep customers from buying the earlier gen model? There wasn't one so it wasn't a problem.
It's a double edged sword really, but most of the people who are buying these devices aren't Apple rabid boys so even if Verizon announced a firm release deadline no one would really notice it but us and some investors
just saying "network") LOL.
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