Just take the discussions to other threads, it's as simple as that. That is why we have multiple threads in a forum, and why we have multiple forums. If you want to discuss the i760 vs. Kaiser, then go to that thread and discuss it. If you want to discuss leaving Verizon, then make a new thread in the lounge and post in it. Discussions can happen, just either make a new thread about them, or discuss it in the appropriate place. We aren't saying to stop discussion about this stuff, just not to do it in this thread.
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I won't feel at all bad about this being deleted if you'd like to remove this clutter:
Is it possible to make a Sticky inside of a Thread? My idea is that a sticky inside of a thread might allow some of these naturally occurring OT discussions to still be heard by putting links to common discussions (eg. leaving VZW for iphone, i760 vs. Kaiser, and some of the other common routes we keep running) that don't fit the i760 release thread. I've enjoyed a lot of the discussion that has been OT, and I'd hate to lose it. I've noticed that I've gotten used to just coming to this thread when I'm looking for general conversations, just because so much is happening here. I've also been frustrated a couple times when I've come to the thread specifically looking for new information about the i760. If some sort of "Sticky Reminder" was at the top of the thread page, then we might be able to improve the health of this thread and improve the discussion that is happening in some of the other applicable threads as well. I think we all want to contribute, and sometimes we get so used to refreshing our screen and living in this thread (and of course we want our voice to be heard too, so we talk in the place that everybody is looking) that we forget to make an extra click or two and put our information in a better place. I'm not sure what the limits of forum design and thread construction are, but it seemed like a good idea.
Like I said earlier, I just meant this as a suggestion for the moderators to see, so feel free to delete it once you've seen it.
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Is it okay to make up rumors for this release/rumor thread?
I heard from my friend's sister's boyfriend who sweeps the floors at a verizon warehouse that the specs were actually botched...there is no IR port but the battery is powered by a rather unstable Iridium isotope and that the Nuclear Regulatory Commision has temporarily banned these devices until the battery can be replaced with a Qualcomm chip. The phone will either be released in December or possibly sooner if the evil liberal media and democrats would leave Gonzales alone so he can have his puppets in the Justice Leaque of America mandate that the phone be released tomorrow.
Darn it all - i just want to login here and read abut 3 or 4 threads that say I just got my freakin' brand new 760 and it is better than sex. I would love to see this thread with 3,621 +1 posts go away and start seeing Rmailings new FAQs and setup guides for the 760.
Enough fun...for now...back to my deep depression due to the lack of new electronic devices. May have to go buy a PS3 to get out of this funk.
When I read this thread in reverse order, it gives me new hope. I should have my I760 by my birthday in June! Some of the sub-threads even start making sense when you read them in reverse order.
Hi all, I don't remember seeing this posted but I just saw that pdadb.net changed the released date from July to August. I remember it say new and released in July and now it says comming soon and August release. If this was already posted then just ignore my post. Thanks.
Hi all, I don't remember seeing this posted but I just saw that pdadb.net changed the released date from July to August. I remember it say new and released in July and now it says comming soon and August release. If this was already posted then just ignore my post. Thanks.
I think they are basing their information on stuff reported here and at HoFo, plus the fact there is less than 5 days left in July. I would say they will just keep saying the next month, which they have been doing all along.
"Ethan" reported that we should get some information next week from Verizon, and said that would should have them in our hands before Aug. 23 provided it all moves forward as planned.
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I think they are basing their information on stuff reported here and at HoFo, plus the fact there is less than 5 days left in July. I would say they will just keep saying the next month, which they have been doing all along.
"Ethan" reported that we should get some information next week from Verizon, and said that would should have them in our hands before Aug. 23 provided it all moves forward as planned.
When people talk about release dates, are you referring to b2b dates, or "Joe Schmoe can get one from Verizon's website or stores on that date". Being Joe Schmoe, the b2b dates are kinda like a tease, so I'm more interested in the latter. Thanks!
When people talk about release dates, are you referring to b2b dates, or "Joe Schmoe can get one from Verizon's website or stores on that date". Being Joe Schmoe, the b2b dates are kinda like a tease, so I'm more interested in the latter. Thanks!
Nobody truly knows at this point. The term release date is generic until we have further confirmation from Verizon.
Our gracious Mods have been tolerant of brief O/T meanderings, and this is actually productive. A major benefit of "color" is that the thread stays lively and contributes to community spirit.
Orthodoxy that restricts discussion to specs, release info and PR from the empire of VZW will be pretty much devoid of insight, debate, personality, charm and wit--the dynamic values that bring forums to life.
Value-added content will, of course, spawn and populate untold numbers of threads once the device launches. Until then, 350,000 views suggest this is pretty much...the "Drop Zone."
As to "thread clutter," it's probably fair to say that O/T noise is inversely proportional to the existence of hard info. When concrete, material release details land, this thread will quickly morph into the Times Square "news zipper." As of that moment, casual banter will simply vanish.
What's this movie about? crmealey says it very well:
I've enjoyed a lot of the discussion that has been OT, and I'd hate to lose it. I've noticed that I've gotten used to just coming to this thread when I'm looking for general conversations, just because so much is happening here.
Props to our Mods for directing a living documentary over the past eight months--news, views, and blues!
--BAM
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mattag29,
You asked: ... is there any chance that in the last 9 months or so since the first leaked info came out that maybe the reason for the hold up is that they re-worked the specs...?
No, as any spec changes would require a supplementary/new FCC filing that would not go unnoticed.
Still, we cannot rule out the slight possibility of Rev A support (with a firmware upgrade). This requires a capable QCOM modem chipset (say, MSM6800 or better) that would have to have been embedded in the original design.
Unfortunately, we can't know what chip was spec'd without observing still-embargoed motherboard pics.
So, this is a strange feeling from me, but I think I'm going to skip this one. My excitement level has died over the last six weeks or so, and I'm not terribly impressed by the i760 anymore. Had it been released in January, it would have been a terrific pdaphone, but now ... eh.
It's definately one of the best choices for people who need to be on Verizon, but as a company (both service and devices) my dissatisfaction with them has become ... pretty high. They won my business with the i600, and kept me with the i760 and great EVDO, but at this point, their data network (while still probably the best) isn't leading their competitors by much, and the prosumer devices they are releasing are becoming routinely delayed to the point of near-obsolence.
I'll probably try to hold on to the i730 until a fantastic WinMo (Kaiser?) comes out on AT&T, or a 3G iPhone comes out. I realize that it's not something anyone here cares about, nor something that Verizon executives will cry themselves to sleep over, but I can't be the only one with these thoughts--some of whom may be the big account holders we've heard from already.
At the same time, I'm hoping there is some sort of revolution brewing in regulatory circles (ala the Google spectrum bid, or the other changes we've heard about.) For the moment though, it just sucks to be a consumer.
Austin
I agree. The only reason I want it out is so someone can get a ROM dump for WM6 to hopefully work for the i730.
No, as any spec changes would require a supplementary/new FCC filing that would not go unnoticed.
Still, we cannot rule out the slight possibility of Rev A support (with a firmware upgrade). This requires a capable QCOM modem chipset (say, MSM6800 or better) that would have to have been embedded in the original design.
Unfortunately, we can't know what chip was spec'd without observing still-embargoed motherboard pics.
KBAM, rest assured this is NOT the case with i760. I can say that much and stay within NDA borderlines. REV A was an embryo during the beta-tests as we did not have VZW ready with REV A system towers and it would take a lot of hardware changes to accomplish TRUE REV A. As far as I can tell it had some sort of "generic" chipset that would "mimick" REV A. I know we were piggy-back riding on $prints CDMA REV A towers to test download speeds and upload speeds. It was not that impressive, but it was slightly better than EVDO. We could not effectively come up with good benchmark speeds but I would say it was pretty good for a cellular phone. The REV A data cards that VZW had at that time and that signal transmission was NOT compatible with the radio in the i760.
YET, I have seen embedded systems get its internal guts pulled and redone overnight at "sweat shops" just so it will compete in the "free-market". That's how much I can "talk" now more to come as and when it gets closer to release date
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Why, thank you for missing me, Mr. Thrizzle! It's nice to be missed! I have been in and out, lurking some, reading, and running all over. I was on vacation, and have been doing quite a bit of travel in my ministry, as we are once again planting another new church.
That being said, I have to say something else here, totally unrelated to my absence. Although I have been using pocket pc's since before convergence, and have had three phone edition pocket pc's, and have now been, with all of you, eagerly anticipating the arrival of the i760... I am contemplating very strongly jumping to another phone... and - don't tar and feather me - but, I have looked strongly at, and visited the at&t store as well as the Apple store - and played with their iPhone, and talked and talked and explored, etc etc. I am about 90% convinced to picking up the iPhone.
I hope this isn't too off-topic, but as I see others saying similar things here, let me share my mind's logic and thoughts...
1. I have been using the i730 for close to two years now, and although I have been generally happy with it, there are things that have always been an issue. And we all know what they are. You can't own the i730 without becoming intimately familiar with the soft-reset. As well as doing hard resets. With all the best of tweakings we can do - and I have followed Michael's set up guide, and all his tools to the "t" - I have still had to do a number of hard resets from time to time, and soft resets even more frequently. I am sure that most of these are made necessary due to the software I have installed, especially the things that we need to use to make the phone do what it should have had from the beginning, meaning memory management and phone notification, etc. These are things the phone should be able to do natively, but it doesn't. And adding software to do it means increased instability. I'm surely not an expert with the i730, but I am certainly above average. Our resident expert, MRailing, himself does a hard reset on a routine basis just to keep his phone working smoothly. We all have just lived with that. And, I'm sorry, it really shouldn't have to be that way. I would love to recommend my phone to my friends and associates, but I can't do that in good conscience, because I know what the maintenance requirements are with it.
2. I had to do a hard reset - again - about three weeks or so ago. I have only re-installed the minimum items I need to work with. Even with that said, I have been getting regular lock-ups, often when I have been cradled for a while. I will leave my office, grab the i730, and not realize until hours later when I have not received any calls that the phone is actually quite dead and frozen. Poke it in the eye again to wake it up, and then wonder what calls I missed. I can't afford that. If one of my parishioners is calling me, they need to get me. I travel a lot. And my phone is my connection that allows me to do that while still being totally assessable to my people.
3. I am sure it's due to the life of the phone, but my battery life is now abysmal. Some days, depending on use, I only get a half a day out of the battery before I need to charge. So, as a result, instead of my phone serving me, I end up serving it. That's just not right.
4. So, I have been waiting for the i760. Much of what I hear and understand is that it really only has a few advantages over what the i730 is - a different form factor, and WM6. The form factor appears to be a bit smaller - I compare it with the Blackjack, and that is a great size. But I think the i760 will be significantly thicker that that. And, other than HTML email, I don't know that there is really anything that WM6 is going to offer that WM5 doesn't already have. And - most importantly - I REALLY don't want to commit to a new phone if it means that I will continue to have problems with resetting, and adding on software and tweaking things to do what the phone should just do out of the box.
5. I have looked at and played with the iPhone. It is a thing of beauty - the form factor is tremendous. No one argues with that. It's drawbacks, though, are it being on at&t, the many things that it can't do that the Windows Mobile platform can do, and current lack of any 3rd party software. But, here is the thing that is grabbing me. Around here, at least, it seems that at&t's network is about equal to vzw. When I think of what the iPhone CAN do, there really isn't a lot that I need it to do that WM can do. And, what the iPhone can do, it does superbly. And, as far as third party software, much of the stuff we all put on our WM phones isn't needed on the iPhone, because it comes with it, or is unnecessary.
6. I'm not crazy about the price of the iPhone, compared to what we anticipate the cost of the i760, but truth is, when considering the monthly price of at&t compared to vzw, in about 6 months the cost difference is made up, and then its less expensive after that.
I could say more, because this is surely not something that I am considering on a whim. But, I don't want to further hijack this thread.
My decision is not totally made up yet, so, please - tell me why I shouldn't do this. PM me, or start a different thread to do so.
I am not considering this solely because of the delay by VZW, but it is indirectly because of it. The longer I have waited, the more that I have had time to fully consider what the best option may be. And where I am at right now, I guess I am more looking for reasons that I should wait longer for something only marginally different than what I currently have, as opposed to getting something now that will end my servitude to my aging i730.
Help me out here, folks!
I think you have made an unavoidable conclusion to your own argument brother. If you know for sure you will need to put some 3rd party software on the i760, and you know you will, it will make it more unstable..you can't have that being in active ministry, it's there to serve you, not the other way around, so you'll have to go with what is more stable and requires little to no 3rd party software..the iPhone or perhaps go with another phone that is actually more of an upgrade like Kaiser. iPhone is pretty but theres lacks when in comes to business use.
the handset does not have a REV A compatible chipset that could be upgraded with firmware, as one poster suggested it might. REV A was too new at the time the formative work was being done on the i760, and even though they played around with some other hacks to try to simulate it, the system just wasn't there at the time they were developing the phone (?)
HOWEVER, in the past he has seen phone hardware get upgraded at the last second prior to release in order to make it competitive in the market - even going so far as to take completed and assembled phones apart and insert new technology to meet new specs. (i take his winky smiley to mean that even though it does not have a true REV A chip in *at this time*, getting one put in is in the works and it may yet ship with a truly REV A chip at release date. he just can't come out and say it because of legal reasons)
Did i pass reading comp 101?
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the handset does not have a REV A compatible chipset that could be upgraded with firmware, as one poster suggested it might. REV A was too new at the time the formative work was being done on the i760, and even though they played around with some other hacks to try to simulate it, the system just wasn't there at the time they were developing the phone (?)
HOWEVER, in the past he has seen phone hardware get upgraded at the last second prior to release in order to make it competitive in the market - even going so far as to take completed and assembled phones apart and insert new technology to meet new specs. (i take his winky smiley to mean that even though it does not have a true REV A chip in *at this time*, getting one put in is in the works and it may yet ship with a truly REV A chip at release date. he just can't come out and say it because of legal reasons)
Did i pass reading comp 101?
You Sir have passed with Flying Colors!! You have earned a 760 GPA
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Funny it worked.....the last time!!Now I am not sure what was working before they put a hole in my head!!!!
This was the only thing that was bothering me about the unit. Now, having complete faith and belif in rumors, I am certain I will get a Rev A device by the 23rd of August. YEA!!!!
But you should all know that I just placed a solid order for a bridge in Brooklyn in the highly remote case that the above rumors do not pan out this way.
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You Sir have passed with Flying Colors!! You have earned a 760 GPA
All the sudden, I have this image of a large warehouse somewhere with a bunch of VZW elves frantically opening a million box, unscrewing i760 cases, pulling a chip, inserting a new chip, rescrewing the case back together, repacking the i760, and wrapping it with nice bow--all while in the background a supervising is shouting at them over the loudspeaker: "Hurry up, iProb8's birthday is coming soon and we've got to get all these i760s swapped out in time!"
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I was referring your last Ethan update post ...
REV A was an embryo during the beta-tests as we did not have VZW ready with REV A system towers and it would take a lot of hardware changes to accomplish TRUE REV A. As far as I can tell it had some sort of "generic" chipset that would "mimick" REV A. I know we were piggy-back riding on $prints CDMA REV A towers to test download speeds and upload speeds. It was not that impressive, but it was slightly better than EVDO. We could not effectively come up with good benchmark speeds but I would say it was pretty good for a cellular phone. The REV A data cards that VZW had at that time and that signal transmission was NOT compatible with the radio in the i760.
more to come as and when it gets closer to release date
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