I could'nt wait due to 30 day eval expiration so I went for the Motorola Q Black...love it so far. The form factor is pretty awesome. I'll continue to monitor this thread to see how things go...still interested in user comments when it is released.
Tim, you've been inhaling a little too much frankincense lately.
Please step away from the censor and no one wil get hurt.
Censor = a person who edits things for content, censer = thing you burn incense in. That might get you into trouble, getting those two confused
Back on topic, I have had my hands on a lot of PDA phones in the last two weeks, as our company contract is up in september and we're re-negotiating. The iPhone wasn't nearly as impressive as it looks - it's slow to use online (REALLY slow, compared to a Verizon phone). The 6700 was nice, but it locked up a lot, and dialing was a pain using an on-screen dialpad (we do a lot of calling outside of our contact lists). The Q was nice, but the lack of a touchscreen make a lot of things harder to do, even just getting Exchange synching working without a PC. The best thing I tried was the 700WX - solid, fast and very usable - but my giant mutant thumbs made the keyboard awkward.
Hence I'm still here waiting on the i760 - the larger keyboard, front physical dialpad, and touchscreen are deal makers for me. If you HAD to have somthing for right now, I'd recommend the 700WX, but if we are talking less than a month wait, it looks like the 760 is THE phone to get from all appearances - provided it's stable, unlike the 6700. I almost wish the Treo 800 were coming, just because of its GPS, but knowing Verizon it won't be out until March.
Thanks to everyone for this thread, it's been a TREMENDOUS reference for me and our managers trying to make decisions.
Ok, again, and again, and again, you are reminded to keep this on topic for discussion of the SCH-i760 rumor and release. This isn't the place to discuss that you are jumping ship, purchasing a new device, looking at something new, etc. This is simply a thread for discussion of the i760.
We don't need to know if you have been watching this thread since it was started, or why you feel you need to no longer wait, all this is doing is cluttering up the i760 rumor/release thread making it so that the people that are waiting for REAL INFORMATION on the i760 have to read over and weed through to find it. If you noticed I haven't been posting much in here, because there isn't much to post at the present time, and when I do post, it gets buried and skipped right over.
So again, many, many people don't care if you are no longer waiting for the i760 or making a different move (at least not in this thread). If you don't have something to report about the i760 or it's release, then simply DON'T POST IN THIS THREAD. Out of the last few pages, just a couple of posts have even come close to discussing the i760.
If you continue to be off topic, you are bringing it closer to us to simply delete the posts that we don't think are necessary. Mark_A_K started a thread that you can go discuss off topic humor, etc about the i760, so go there, or go to the lounge.
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Ya know, throughout this 8-month, 'Jolt Cola' thread, there's been lotsa debate about the i760's "tech," feature set, and competitive standing. For obvious reasons, this subject resonates with many.
Without replaying the whole drama, let's summarize it this way:
The i760 is a competent, but not leading edge, design. By no means does it represent either Sammy's best work or the fulfillment of a power user's fantasy. It's simply what VZW ordered. And, let's face it, VZW did not have in mind a moon shot.
Unlike the ix30 when it was issued (say, late June '05), the i760 is not the most powerful or advanced device around. If Sammy (VZW) has an epiphany, maybe the next one will be. Meanwhile, Sammy/VZW, we're disappointed.
In terms of the WM device pecking order for US carrier distribution, the pole position seems to belong to HTC's Kaiser for GSM. Second place might go to HTC's x6800 for CDMA. So, in terms of raw specs, Sammy weighs in at #3. (Actually, Sammy's CPU (400MHz), made in-house, might be a few percent better than the QCOMs (384MHz) used by HTC.)
What's worthy about Sammy products? Well, fit, finish and build. Go look at a Sprint Mogul or AT&T 8525 and you'll see. In comparison, HTC handsets tend to be vaguely disappointing.
Our best hope for the i760 device is that it will be superseded within 9 months by a better Sammy. More likely, it will be a year.
The next-gen product should have: VGA graphics/24-bit color, EvDO Rev A, 802.11n, 3.0Mpx cam, microSDHC, 128MB RAM/256MB+ ROM (or even SSD), infra-red, USB 2.0, more B/T profiles, visual voicemail, GPS, printing support, 2.5mm and 3.5mm audio jacks, a next-gen CPU, and maybe WM7/Photon, a cursor & scrollwheel/trackball, a tilt-display and other goodies. The Sprint model might handle WiMax; the VZW version might include Euro-GSM/HSDPA.
Now we're gettin' somewhere.
--BAM
P.S. To tsatryan and other iPhone seductees: No MSFT fanboy but iPhone is simply not viable for PPC duty. If it truly appeals to you, you're not so much a road warrior (which is certainly fine, as few are). But if you're mostly just fed up with VZW, stick with WinMo and migrate to Kaiser. 'Course, if Sprint had a clue, it would have timely, state-of-the-art PPCs and be eating VZW's lunch.
For what it's worth, with the apparent inclusion of GIN and other consumer style features, this device would seem to be aimed at a market somewhat different that the power user or heavy duty business user. Perhaps VZW is aiming this device either at low end PDA phone users, entry level users, or casual users who want some of the extra funtionality of a PDA phone but won't use the a fully featured PDA phone to anywhere near its capabilties.
In my case, this will be my first PDA phone and what I hope will be the next logical step up from an e815. I don't want or need the data functionality and will be ordering the data block feature (mostly because of cost, but also because I just don't want to be that connected). but I do want a good calendar/datebook/addressbook to go along with a solid phone, and the standard phone just doesn't cut it. For folks in this category, the latest and most powerful technology are simply not necessary. Form factor, styling, stability/reliability, and price are going to be more important to this demographic (IMHO) than bleeding edge capabilities. Everything else just falls into the "gee whiz" category for this group of users.
My take on the i760 is that it will not be marketed as an iPhone killer or iPhone competitor, but it is pretty enough and has enough high end features to compete with the iPhone (not to mention several hundred dollars cheaper). When casual VZW users come into the store bitching about wanting an iPhone, the sales people will have something they can point to that is at least comparable, and can then bring the discussion back to VZW's real selling point - the strength of the network.
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Ok, so there is nothing to back this up but is there any chance that in the last 9 months or so since the first leaked info came out that maybe the reason for the hold up is that they re-worked the specs.........It has been a long time since I started following this thread, and maybe just maybe the reason for the delay was they got smart and upped the specs.........
Rev A
3.0 Megpixel Cam
128 Ram
Basically Kaiser specs.......
I'm good with my 6700 right now. I can wait. I'm goin' down with the ship!
I'm right there in the same boat with you. I LOVE the form factor of the i760 but I'm way underwhelmed by the specs but I am hoping that it will run snappy and handle things fine. I will be waiting to see what folks think after getting to play around with it for a while.
As previously reported (way earlier in this thread), this isn't an XScale Processor in the i760, so you can't judge the 400 MHz Processor in it, comparing it to the i730's 520 MHz Processor. The one in the i760 is (I believe) built by Samsung.
It's been reported that the people that have used it have said it works very well in terms of speed and functionality.
So don't judge the device by just the Processor speed. That's like comparing the older AMD vs Intel platform, when AMD's chips were clocked slowed, but ran faster.
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As previously reported (way earlier in this thread), this isn't an XScale processor in the i760, so you can't judge the 400 MHz processor in it, comparing it to the i730's 520 MHz processor. The one in the i760 is (I believe) built by Samsung.
It's been reported that the people that have used it have said it works very well in terms of speed and functionality.
So don't judge the device by just the processor speed. That's like comparing the older AMD vs Intel platform, when AMD's chips were clocked slowed, but ran faster.
Mark is correct. I have the TyTN with the Samsung 400 MHz chip and the i760with the 520 MHz chilp. Whenever I use the i730, I complain how much slower it is than the TyTN. So please do not assume that CPU clock speeds are the only thing that makes a system perform. The bus, IO, and other things are equally important. And I can tell you one more thing. The TyTN blows the i730 away when it comes to battery life.
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As previously reported (way earlier in this thread), this isn't an XScale Processor in the i760, so you can't judge the 400 MHz Processor in it, comparing it to the i730's 520 MHz Processor. The one in the i760 is (I believe) built by Samsung.
Agreed, this should be the Processor according to PDADB.
Today, during my lunch hour, I went into a Verizon Wireless store just to snoop around and get a feel for the PDA phones since the i760 will be my first. A sales person asked me if I needed any help so I started off a conversation by asking about how relevant my NE2 would be, due to the fact that I currently have a plain flip phone. After telling me the basic info, he asked which phone I was looking at. I told him that I had been waiting for a new Samsung phone and he starting grinning. He told me that there would be a $100 rebate for signing up for internet and another $100 rebate just because of my NE2. He also said that he could not tell me the price because he would not know until it arrived, but it would be comparable to the phones on display, which were the Black Q, the 700wx, the new BB (I think the 8830), and another BB.
I was about to pay for the 700wx and take advantage of the 30 day trial and hope that the i760 would come out within the next 30 days. HE TURNED DOWN MY MONEY and said that it would be a waste of my time because I would be right back in the store soon. I know this is just one more VZW rep story but I do not remember anybody refusing anybody's money. It was like the Twilight Zone. He also hinted that if I wanted to get the i760 and it would be my first PDA phone, I should hold off on the phones on display because of the different style of keyboard. Given that info, I can imagine that the i760 keyboard experience is going to be totally different from the black Q, the 700wx and the 8830. Positive or negative, I dont know. That probably is an individual thing. Also, considering that I wanted to get the 700wx and he told me to keep my money, the i760 must be on its way.
There is a difference between a keyboard that is always there on a square screen and a landscape screen keyboard that slides out when you want to use it. While I do not think it is that difficult to get used to, there is a difference. And since this is your first PDA phone, I applaud the salesperson for telling you what you were told. However, I doubt the salesperson has any more of an idea as to when the device will be in the store than you or I do. LOL. Nevertheless, the salesperson seemed to be putting the custoemr first - and that is very encouraging.
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Mark is correct. I have the TyTN with the Samsung 400 MHz chip and the i760with the 520 MHz chilp. Whenever I use the i730, I complain how much slower it is than the TyTN. So please do not assume that CPU clock speeds are the only thing that makes a system perform. The bus, IO, and other things are equally important. And I can tell you one more thing. The TyTN blows the i730 away when it comes to battery life.
It's Michael, not Mark...
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Maybe i'm looking into it too much but.... I noticed that on the testman site, I can't view the phone selections. I was able to yesterday. Probably updating it?
Today, during my lunch hour, I went into a Verizon Wireless store just to snoop around and get a feel for the PDA phones since the i760 will be my first. A sales person asked me if I needed any help so I started off a conversation by asking about how relevant my NE2 would be, due to the fact that I currently have a plain flip phone. After telling me the basic info, he asked which phone I was looking at. I told him that I had been waiting for a new Samsung phone and he starting grinning. He told me that there would be a $100 rebate for signing up for internet and another $100 rebate just because of my NE2. He also said that he could not tell me the price because he would not know until it arrived, but it would be comparable to the phones on display, which were the Black Q, the 700wx, the new BB (I think the 8830), and another BB.
I was about to pay for the 700wx and take advantage of the 30 day trial and hope that the i760 would come out within the next 30 days. HE TURNED DOWN MY MONEY and said that it would be a waste of my time because I would be right back in the store soon. I know this is just one more VZW rep story but I do not remember anybody refusing anybody's money. It was like the Twilight Zone. He also hinted that if I wanted to get the i760 and it would be my first PDA phone, I should hold off on the phones on display because of the different style of keyboard. Given that info, I can imagine that the i760 keyboard experience is going to be totally different from the black Q, the 700wx and the 8830. Positive or negative, I dont know. That probably is an individual thing. Also, considering that I wanted to get the 700wx and he told me to keep my money, the i760 must be on its way.
That is all...
Hi, Long time lurker been checking on on this thread on a regular basis, but registered today.
If you wait to buy the i760 make sure you go back to that same rep and remember what he told you about both of the $100 credits. Everytime I have gone in and spoken to store reps, I have been told that you can only use 1 of the $100 credits and not combine them. So NE2 cannot be used with another credit. Just an FYI.
I've just checked the testman site, the pictures are all there. It looks like they rearranged the pda phones from cheapest to most expensive now that the sale they had is over. However, I did notice that when it asks you for your zipcode before taking you to the phones, that page seemed different/revamped. But as of 3:15pm pst, no sign of the i760...
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