Like many of you, I am very confused as to why anyone would want or need GIN in a PDA that has total access to the internet. If this is truly why the i760 and the 6800 are being delayed, the cost of doing this, both in real dollars and in lost opportunity, can be attributed to over-engineering due to a blatant lack of understanding of the users who would purchase such a device. If the internet is crippled in any way, shape, or form to force the use of GIN, who in their right mind would even consider purchasing such an albatross?

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HTC TyTN II - WM6 - on the new at&t - and loving it!
"Fact veracity is not based on the validity of the source, but on the last thing posted."

i've learned a lot about VZW over the past few months waiting for the i760 - they really just don't care about customers any more than they have to. we all have questions about the i760, which of course they haven't even announced, and their current phones, but they don't care to respond. if i'm not mistaken, they don't have a discussion board. AT&T (Cingular) and Sprint have them; T-Mobile doesn't as far as I know. VZW scrapped their plans for a no-holds barred blog to converse with the public. i don't know if reps for the other carriers talk to the public on their boards, but at least you know they're monitoring the discussion and VALUE the input.

i don't know what they do in terms of customer retention, but clandestinely dangling an i760 isn't cutting it for me.

KAISER!!

Here is some interesting news from today...

Verizon Wireless president and CEO Lowell McAdam indicated that the carrier was looking into "opportunities to mitigate" the costs associated with its recent deal with Broadcom, which may include some recuperation of costs from Qualcomm. "I will be looking for opportunities to mitigate [the fees] with other parties involved, and that's all I can really say about that right now," McAdam said in response to an analyst's question. "Other parties involved?" Sounds like Qualcomm since, as one analyst put it, they were the ones that allegedly infringed on Broadcom's patents, not Verizon Wireless. We will have to wait and see.

McAdam reiterated that the deal with Broadcom has not forced the carrier to rethink its relationship with Qualcomm: "This does not affect our 4G plans and we still have a strong relationship with Qualcomm. That [relationship] will evolve as technology evolves, but this does not have a major impact there," he said.

McAdam said that no matter how the President rules, Verizon Wireless is now in a stable place and neither a failed veto attempt nor other ongoing patent disputes between Broadcom and Qualcomm can hurt its business. "The important thing here is that for a fee of $200 million we did not want to have the uncertainty for our business or for our customers," McAdam said.

Now back on topic. My local VZW store manager, who has always been willing to discuss the i760, 6800, etc has now clammed up completely. He won't discuss the All Hands or any PDA phones not in inventory except for RIM devices. Someone has really put some serious fear into this guy. One can only hope that means releases are forthcoming in the next month or so, but has anyone else seen this new "big chill" from their VZW contacts?

Time to start killing the Get It Now rumors delaying the phone.

ota.getvzappzone.com

The PDA Get It Now software is now able to be downloaded.

And we need it because?

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HTC TyTN II - WM6 - on the new at&t - and loving it!
"Fact veracity is not based on the validity of the source, but on the last thing posted."

This doesn't mean they have it working the way they want on the i760. That release is only for the Q and the 700wx.

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mrailing, curious if ethan was helpful in giving an estimate on the 5800 you were going to inquire about?

Thx

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You mean like AOL and how they are one of the largest ISPs around, because they put a 'friendly' front end on the internet.

Last Friday I was with a group of engineers that have worked with me for years. We needed a value off of a schematic and someone said that they would run back to their PC and look. I said not to bother, got out my trusty i730, opened the PDF, and quickly found what was needed. They were shocked. Today a group of customer engineers were in our office and looking at a problem with us. They wanted to look at a drawing that they had emailed to all of us last week. The PC in the meeting room didn't have it, and these guys no longer had the email on their laptops. I got out the i730, downloaded the attachment, put the SD card in the meeting room PC, and we are looking at the drawing.

My point is, twice recently I was in a room full of engineer geeks that had no clue you could do what I did. They are completely out of touch with what a PDA Phone can do. They probably believe the iPhone is the first device anything like that. These people (and these are somewhat geeky engineers) need a friendly internet interface, and I fear they are the majority.

So I can believe VZW is spending a load of time on such a thing for the i760. Don't like it, but I believe it. If so, hopefully it can be bypassed/ignored easily.

The rumor is that GIN doesn't work on WM6, not that it doesn't work on PDAs....

Ethan had a meeting on Friday and today. I haven't talked to him yet, and have nothing to report as of yet. I did try calling him today, but he wasn't able to talk, and I have been busy, and will be busy through Thursday of this week. I will talk to him when I can, and report what he says.

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