That is what is great about the s710 VOX from HTC, it is wider in portrait mode than most cramped keyboards today (like i730, smaller blackberry's etc.) but not so wide as to require crazy "thumb stretching".....that is why it rivals IMHO the 8700 series Blackberries as one of the best qwerty keypads of all time. (Note, you talk to almost any 8700 user who moved to the 8800 and they will gripe about the difficulty of the adjoining keys....it is so elementary, yet these guys screw it up. A college student could tell you the separation and pronunciation gives you better tactile feel to discriminate between the keys).
Have to agree that this is my biggest concern about the i760. I have no experience outside the i760, but looking at the pics of the models you named, I see exactly what you are talking about. I can find a contact using keys at 70mph. Doubt seriously I can do that on the i760, but am keeping an open mind on it. Hated T9 or whatever they call it on my old Nokia Phone. Maybe the i760 will have some nifty interface improvements that will make it workable.
I just recently registered but I've been lurking on here for quite some time. I've been waiting for the i760 since the first spy photos came out, but that was almost a year ago. Let's face it, the i760s technology is old. It has a 1.3MP camera..... Have you guys seen the D900i? It has a 3.1MP camera and it's not even a PDA. The HTC 6800 has a 2MP camera, WiFi, Rev-A upgradable, supports 4GB HDMicroSD.... I could go on and on.
With due respect, the camera is actually a drawback for many serious users here. Very few people actually need a camera for business, which is where this phone is (was?) supposed to be aimed. The other more advanced bells and whistles would be nice, but we want something sturdy and usable, to of the best features of the i730. Reviews already complain about the flimsiness of some parts of the Mogul. The D900i looks nifty, but has no external keyboard. The external keyboard (or easily usable slider like on the i730) is a make or break feature for most of us and why the 6800's are not that desirable.
As to the camera:
Many people have issues with technology. I remember having trouble getting into a federal court with my early Palm (not phone) because I made the mistake of calling it a "computer" in front of the guard. A judge didn't like the distractions of laptops and had banned "computers" from the courthouse. It took some convincing to get it in for a conference to set dates for various events.
I hesitate to bring up the fact that most judges don't realize that modern phones can double as digital voice recorders: another no-no.
More so for cameras in the courthouse. Judges don't like them. I've had guards look over my i730 for a camera. I don't know what trouble I will have with the i760 camera if I get one. Maybe the courts will just throw up their hands.
Others here have restrictions in other environments that don't want people wandering around with cameras. Hospitals should ban camera phones among their workers, and maybe they will at some point after some janitor snaps the first shots of a celebrity's baby and a big suit ensues because some magazine had paid a zillion dollars for the exclusive rights to the first photos.
Maybe if large a large segment of potential buyers have a restriction on having a camera, the wireless companies will stop trying to force them on people who don't want them.
Agreed bigmikeg. Cameras on the phone are the least of my concern. I have a nice Sony digital camera if I need to take a pic. Plus, the 1.3MP camera is more than enough in the rare oppurtunity that I need it.
With due respect, the camera is actually a drawback for many serious users here. Very few people actually need a camera for business, which is where this phone is (was?) supposed to be aimed. The other more advanced bells and whistles would be nice, but we want something sturdy and usable, to of the best features of the i730. Reviews already complain about the flimsiness of some parts of the Mogul. The D900i looks nifty, but has no external keyboard. The external keyboard (or easily usable slider like on the i730) is a make or break feature for most of us and why the 6800's are not that desirable.
As to the camera:
Many people have issues with technology. I remember having trouble getting into a federal court with my early Palm (not phone) because I made the mistake of calling it a "computer" in front of the guard. A judge didn't like the distractions of laptops and had banned "computers" from the courthouse. It took some convincing to get it in for a conference to set dates for various events.
I hesitate to bring up the fact that most judges don't realize that modern phones can double as digital voice recorders: another no-no.
More so for cameras in the courthouse. Judges don't like them. I've had guards look over my i730 for a camera. I don't know what trouble I will have with the i760 camera if I get one. Maybe the courts will just throw up their hands.
Others here have restrictions in other environments that don't want people wandering around with cameras. Hospitals should ban camera phones among their workers, and maybe they will at some point after some janitor snaps the first shots of a celebrity's baby and a big suit ensues because some magazine had paid a zillion dollars for the exclusive rights to the first photos.
Maybe if large a large segment of potential buyers have a restriction on having a camera, the wireless companies will stop trying to force them on people who don't want them.
What you're saying is counter productive towards the advancement of technology. Why not say, "A computer in every home? Ha!"?
I manage the cell phones for a construction company. Our users consist of mostly superintedents, foremen, and project managers who need to be able to take pictures and email them, have access to budgets (Excel spreadsheets), respond to email, sync contacts and appointments, etc. On almost every job site there's a digital camera, a PPC of some sort, a cell phone, a laptop, and some sort of Internet connection (cell card, DSL, etc). Obviously, we can't replace the laptop. BUT, if we can consolidate a digital camera, PPC, cell phone, and the Internet connection via connection sharing or tethering, why wouldn't we??
The i760 isn't Rev-A upgradable, the 6800 is. We're in the process of upgrading our cell cards to Rev-A.
I can see how having a camera on a phone can be bad. You use the example of courtrooms, in which I completely agree. But at the same time, are you even going to use a regular phone in the middle of a court room? Bank of America banned cell phones with cameras on employees almost two years ago because people were taking pictures of account numbers. IMO, they treated a symptom rather than a problem but that's an entirely different topic.
The future of cell phones will be this: Internet, GPS, large storage for MP3s, Email, digital photography, and QWERTY keyboards. Take a look at the iPhone; although it does a poor job at the Email and Internet aspects, at least has phone manufactures noticing what people really want.
Agreed bigmikeg. Cameras on the phone are the least of my concern. I have a nice Sony digital camera if I need to take a pic. Plus, the 1.3MP camera is more than enough in the rare oppurtunity that I need it.
It's all about consolidating devices; why have two when you can have just one?
I brought up the D900i as an example of a phone that has a 3+MP camera to show that the technology is available but not being used.
What you're saying is counter productive towards the advancement of technology. Why not say, "A computer in every home? Ha!"?
I manage the cell phones for a construction company. Our users consist of mostly superintedents, foremen, and project managers who need to be able to take pictures and email them, have access to budgets (Excel spreadsheets), respond to email, sync contacts and appointments, etc. On almost every job site there's a digital camera, a PPC of some sort, a cell phone, a laptop, and some sort of Internet connection (cell card, DSL, etc). Obviously, we can't replace the laptop. BUT, if we can consolidate a digital camera, PPC, cell phone, and the Internet connection via connection sharing or tethering, why wouldn't we??
The i760 isn't Rev-A upgradable, the 6800 is. We're in the process of upgrading our cell cards to Rev-A.
I can see how having a camera on a phone can be bad. You use the example of courtrooms, in which I completely agree. But at the same time, are you even going to use a regular phone in the middle of a court room? Bank of America banned cell phones with cameras on employees almost two years ago because people were taking pictures of account numbers. IMO, they treated a symptom rather than a problem but that's an entirely different topic.
The future of cell phones will be this: Internet, GPS, large storage for MP3s, Email, digital photography, and QWERTY keyboards. Take a look at the iPhone; although it does a poor job at the Email and Internet aspects, at least has phone manufactures noticing what people really want.
The iPhone is all so being chased after those that are Mac crazy. I had three coworkers wait in line for one and the only reason they said that they wanted it was that it was a mac phone.
Granted it is nice, but it is more eye candy than it is useful. This is not a business phone. There have been congressmen who have mentioned that they are a little more useful than a paperweight. Lets not use this as an example of innovation in technology. It really is not that much of a jump in the future.
It's all about consolidating devices; why have two when you can have just one?
I brought up the D900i as an example of a phone that has a 3+MP camera to show that the technology is available but not being used.
Also, please note, I use this for business functions. Not digital photography. That is why I have the camera. There have been very few times I have even used the camera and when I did, it was for more fun than anything. This should not be the motivating factor for a phone like this, whether the technology is there or not.
Also, please note, I use this for business functions. Not digital photography. That is why I have the camera. There have been very few times I have even used the camera and when I did, it was for more fun than anything. This should not be the motivating factor for a phone like this, whether the technology is there or not.
So digital photography isn't a part of your business function, that's okay. But say you don't have a digital camera, or you were trying to justify the cost of one, you wouldn't buy an "all-in-one" device?
What, in your opinion, would be a motivating factor? Data speed? Processor speed? Storage? Internal memory? All of which are last years technology on the i760.
So digital photography isn't a part of your business function, that's okay. But say you don't have a digital camera, or you were trying to justify the cost of one, you wouldn't buy an "all-in-one" device?
What, in your opinion, would be a motivating factor? Data speed? Processor speed? Storage? Internal memory? All of which are last years technology on the i760.
"Last years tech" is sufficient for almost all business users. Main thing they want is functionality and durability.
Sounds like you need to go get an Iphone; the i760 has no possibility of pleasing you.
Well, I finally got tired of waiting, and dropped the hammer on a Sprint Mogul. The specs are impressive, and seem somewhat better than the i-760. Have to wait and see on the 400 mhz Qualcom Processor though. I used the link and email address that 2000ARMY lists here,
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For the record....I have been a Verizon advocate for 8 years...
whats funny is waitnig for the i760 made me switch to sprint and pay $50 a month for 1250 min/unl data/free text and get the 8800 for $288. I thought I wouldn't like it but I love it. The phone part is weird with touch screen ....but I can always get a second phone on a $30 plan and still be cheaper than verizon.
plus i get free roaming... so if im off sprints network ...guess whose I am on???
and the Sprint website said they confirmed my order on the employee referral plan at $30 per month 500 min voice and unlimited data. The bulk of my heavy usage is with my wife and son who will remain with VZW, so 500 minutes should be more than enough for jus' lil ol me.
I wonder if I can drop my VZW data plan, and port my i-730 line over to my On-Star car and thus avoid the draconian ETF?
When I was down at the Sprint store checking it out, the sales guy said that Sprint has had EVDO Rev.A in Hawaii since April, and the Mogul is awaiting a Rev.A software upgrade later this year!
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So digital photography isn't a part of your business function, that's okay. But say you don't have a digital camera, or you were trying to justify the cost of one, you wouldn't buy an "all-in-one" device?
What, in your opinion, would be a motivating factor? Data speed? Processor speed? Storage? Internal memory? All of which are last years technology on the i760.
If you think this is last years technology, than why are you here? WhenI look at a file server, I do not need a blazing core 2 duo do I? No. This serves a function of getting to my systems people, checking email, etc.... What it is not meant for, and my company has a policy of, using the camera at or for work. As for a all in one device, Nice idea, but here is the problem with that, you lose on reliability and quality. When I buy a surround system at home, I do not get the one with all of the bells a whistles. Why? What happens when one part breaks, now you are stuck with a partially functional unit. All I am saying is that if that is why you are going after it, fine, thats cool, but I am in need of a reliable piece of equipment. This is said device.
Sounds like you need to go get an iPhone; the i760 has no possibility of pleasing you.
You're correct about one thing. The only thing I like about the iPhone is that its popularity will drive cell phone manufacturers to include better technology in their phones.
You're correct about one thing. The only thing I like about the iPhone is that its popularity will drive cell phone manufacturers to include better technology in their phones.
What is the better technology if you dont mind entertaining us?
If you think this is last years technology, than why are you here? WhenI look at a file server, I do not need a blazing core 2 duo do I? No. This serves a function of getting to my systems people, checking email, etc.... What it is not meant for, and my company has a policy of, using the camera at or for work. As for a all in one device, Nice idea, but here is the problem with that, you lose on reliability and quality. When I buy a surround system at home, I do not get the one with all of the bells a whistles. Why? What happens when one part breaks, now you are stuck with a partially functional unit. All I am saying is that if that is why you are going after it, fine, thats cool, but I am in need of a reliable piece of equipment. This is said device.
That's not true. The future of gaming consoles is to be an all-in-one media center. I'm guessing you're over 40 years old, correct?
Agreed bigmikeg. Cameras on the phone are the least of my concern. I have a nice Sony digital camera if I need to take a pic. Plus, the 1.3MP camera is more than enough in the rare oppurtunity that I need it.
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Originally Posted by bigmikeg
With due respect, the camera is actually a drawback for many serious users here. Very few people actually need a camera for business, which is where this phone is (was?) supposed to be aimed. [Snip..]
As to the camera:
Many people have issues with technology. I remember having trouble getting into a federal court with my early Palm (not phone) because I made the mistake of calling it a "computer" in front of the guard. A judge didn't like the distractions of laptops and had banned "computers" from the courthouse. It took some convincing to get it in for a conference to set dates for various events.
I hesitate to bring up the fact that most judges don't realize that modern phones can double as digital voice recorders: another no-no.
More so for cameras in the courthouse. Judges don't like them. I've had guards look over my i730 for a camera. I don't know what trouble I will have with the i760 camera if I get one. Maybe the courts will just throw up their hands.
Others here have restrictions in other environments that don't want people wandering around with cameras. Hospitals should ban camera phones among their workers, and maybe they will at some point after some janitor snaps the first shots of a celebrity's baby and a big suit ensues because some magazine had paid a zillion dollars for the exclusive rights to the first photos.
Maybe if large a large segment of potential buyers have a restriction on having a camera, the wireless companies will stop trying to force them on people who don't want them.
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Originally Posted by The Thrizzle
Also, please note, I use this for business functions. Not digital photography. That is why I have the camera. There have been very few times I have even used the camera and when I did, it was for more fun than anything. This should not be the motivating factor for a phone like this, whether the technology is there or not.
With all due respect, to both of you.. Get your heads out of your *****
I AM a digital photographer, Web Developer, Software developer, Designer, Artist and Small BUSINESS owner. I NEED a camera on my BUSINESS device; no matter how small (But come one, my i700 bought nearly 7 years ago had 1.3mpx). I can NOT always carry my Nikon with me everywhere I go--and inspiration strikes at the most un-opportune moments.
Stop thinking your Armani and tie (or briefcase) grants you the rights as the ONLY BUSINESS-minded people worthy of a "so-fis-ta-ma-cated" device.
I'm sorry to be so blunt, but I think a lot of folks joining into this "anticipation rally '07" are getting a little carried away. None of you have the phone, few of you have seen the phone, even less of you have held/worked with the phone. Please, stop waxing-intellectual about opinions that mean only so much to you and a very small portion of others here.
Again, I really don't mean to offend. But I think it's stupid when people seem to want the whole world to function only in their capacity (rather, limitations).
Can we drop this arguing already?!
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