Yes, EDGE vs HSDPA was likely Jobs' call (although AT&T didn't object). Still, had he made the deal with VZW, iPhone would certainly be running on EvDO.
The "thin" and battery-life arguments against 3G are bogus. There are thinner 3G devices than iPhone and the run-time issue is a non-starter. In particular, the sealed battery (as with iPods) flies in the face of Jobs' "ethical" assertions; it's simply a ploy to hasten obsolescence. (Mail-in replacements run about $87; when the battery dies, many won't bother.)
Fortunalely, no other vendor will attempt to mimick either of these insults.
On the other hand (and back on topic), Jobs and AT&T did at least one thing right. They got the product out on time.
Yes, the dates were pushed many times, with the first release thoughts being around March I believe and an actual release around 4th July (as I got it right before my vacation on the 4th then).
All release/rumor threads are just like this, off topic, and continued discussions about everything, and if you go back and read after it's closed once it's released, you will see where people were completely off base, and when others were spot on.
Frustrating is an understatement, and this will continue to be that way until Verizon releases...
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Originally Posted by bgates22
I wasn't around for the i730 release thread. Was waiting for the i730 as frustrating as this experience has been?
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Need help setting up your i730/i830 or other WM2003/WM5 Phone, as well as the other hacks I have done, check out the MRailing Guides and Links
I am going to do a temporary switch from my I730 to an XV6700 today. Since I travel alot I backup to an SD card and don't sync. Snce the 730 has sprite backup and I'll have to install spry backup on the 6700 how can I transfer all my data? Is it possible that sprite backup will easily install onn the 6700? I know I will have to backup the 730 on a micro or mini card.
Any suggestions? Iam doing the change for the larger keyboard.
Andy
There are some "in the know" reps in the stores. And, most often, their "inside knowledge" comes from... right here in this forum. VZW itself tells the people in the local stores nothing at all until they unbox it from delivery trucks.
This is true, I'll give you that. But if they are watching this forum and know what's slated to come down and they have a good data rep (in terms of PDAs) who will give them information, they might know a little more. But definitely talking to most sales reps from the stores, or CS, or telesales is just about useless. IE The kid that thought the orange envy was a pda. That's...that's just sad. VZW, though, is not really pushing PDAs or Smartphones. It's about the coolest phones and vcast and etc. So, I can't entirely blame the kids in stores not knowing that much about new PDAs. If they can't tell you about the features of the non-pdas, then I worry.
My source told me that she was supposed to receive her i760 a week or so back and didn't. She was @ Microsoft when they were showing it off the month prior. So she is a little worried that it got pushed back. Still saying that it is supposed to launch this month, but she doesn't sound as sure as she did before.
For those of you who might think i'm blowing this NE2 thing out of proportion, this is VZW's promise of the benefits of NE2: Verizon Wireless
Note the references to having a more advanced phone and the latest in digital technology. I think I might actually right a letter to the CEO, regional president and assorted other folks about this. Anyway, read on:
Now Verizon Wireless has a way to ensure that you'll always have a more advanced phone, no matter how technology changes:
Our New Every Two program can provide you with the latest in digital phone technology every two years. And Verizon Wireless is the first company to offer it.
Verizon Wireless is dedicated to making sure that customers receive the quality wireless phone service they deserve.
With our New Every Two program, you can keep up with the latest in mobile communications because your wireless phone is updated to a newer model every two years. No matter what the future advancements in mobile communications might be, you'll always have the option to enjoy the latest features available.
How do you sign up for New Every Two?
If you're a new Verizon Wireless customer: You are automatically enrolled in our New Every Two program when you sign up for a digital calling plan with a monthly access of $35.00 or above ($34.99 in the North East and West areas) with a two-year service agreement. When you have fulfilled your two-year service agreement, you will get up to $100.00 toward the purchase of your next wireless phone when you renew service on a digital calling plan with monthly access of $35.00 or above ($34.99 in the North East and West areas) for another two years of service with Verizon Wireless.
If you're currently a Verizon Wireless customer: Who is on a two-year service agreement with a digital calling plan of $35.00 or higher ($34.99 in the North East and West areas) AND began your two-year service agreement on or after 4/1/00, you are automatically enrolled in the program. This means at the end of your current two-year service agreement, you will get up to $100.00 toward the purchase of your next wireless phone when you renew service on a digital calling plan with a monthly access of $35.00 or above ($34.99 in the North East and West areas) for another two years of service with Verizon Wireless.
Customers who began service prior to 4/1/00, can enroll in the program by signing a new two-year service agreement with a digital calling plan of $35.00 or higher ($34.99 in the North East and West areas). You will be eligible to take advantage of the phone offer at the end of the new two-year service agreement.
Sign up today-with our New Every Two program, you'll always be ready for tomorrow!
For more information, talk to your sales representative
or call 800 2 JOIN IN (800 256 4646).
I wasn't around for the i730 release thread. Was waiting for the i730 as frustrating as this experience has been?
Yes and no.
Waiting for the i730
Major improvement of the i700, even if it was only shipped WM3SE initially
We had much more leaked information about release dates
Waiting for the i760
Modest improvements over i730 (thinner, new WM6 day one, camera)
Real competitor that may delay launch (iPhone)
Minimal leaked info (MR/Ethan)
From my perspective, I wanted the i730 real bad. It was my first PPC phone edition, even though i have owned pure PPCs in the past. Since my i730 is still fully functional after 2 years (after replacing the battery last month), the i760 is not a must have at this moment
If you are going to write to a CEO, then make sure you proof read, as you want to WRITE, not RIGHT a letter. I know this isn't a grammar forum, but if you are sending something to someone in charge, make sure you try to catch those mistakes, as I can tell you, they don't work out well for pleading your case (we all make those mistakes, so don't feel bad).
Second the NE2 program is an OPTION, they even say that in their terminology. "have the option to enjoy the latest features available." If the technology hasn't changed and isn't updated, how can we get a newer device. The NE2 program is there for you to get something newer if it's available and NOT be stuck with the same device that you got when you first signed up, and it's to get you a discount after your 2 years. It is NOT meant to hold Verizon to getting/updating technologywise every two years, it's meant so that you can get a different handheld every two years at a discount.
Verizon will tell you the same thing, and say, WE HAVE MANY OTHER PDA PHONES AVAILABLE, CHECK OUT ONE OF THOSE, even if the technology isn't different. Think about it, the technology of even some of the phones have gone backwards, heck the Moto V710 had the best radio of ANY handheld I have used since the switch to digital connections (instead of the 3 watt booters in the analog phones).
Technology isn't a constant, and who is to say that something WILL be better in 2 years from what you have.
Although we want the i760, and we want something newer, there are other handhelds out there, even though they aren't "upgrades" to the i730, but Verizon hasn't even announced the i760 (Samsung has), and Veizon really owes you nothing in terms of handhelds, which is the problem with a carrier selling handsets instead of the companies themselves.
It will be nice when everyone does what Apple did, and demands that they have control of the product, and we slowly move to where Samsung sells to us directly, and we can upgrade whenever we want.
The i760 will be out when Verizon is good and ready to do it, no matter how messed up their marketing people are and delaying it for no good reason. It's only been two years, and not everyone here is even ready for the NE2, so really what's another month till we get it. Sure I would be upset if they canceled it completely, but I keep getting told, it's coming soon, and I don't see Samsung letting them drop the device completely, they have too much invested in it.
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Originally Posted by DIAR
For those of you who might think i'm blowing this NE2 thing out of proportion, this is VZW's promise of the benefits of NE2: Verizon Wireless
Note the references to having a more advanced phone and the latest in digital technology. I think I might actually right a letter to the CEO, regional president and assorted other folks about this. Anyway, read on:
Now Verizon Wireless has a way to ensure that you'll always have a more advanced phone, no matter how technology changes:
Our New Every Two program can provide you with the latest in digital phone technology every two years. And Verizon Wireless is the first company to offer it.
Verizon Wireless is dedicated to making sure that customers receive the quality wireless phone service they deserve.
With our New Every Two program, you can keep up with the latest in mobile communications because your wireless phone is updated to a newer model every two years. No matter what the future advancements in mobile communications might be, you'll always have the option to enjoy the latest features available.
How do you sign up for New Every Two?
If you're a new Verizon Wireless customer: You are automatically enrolled in our New Every Two program when you sign up for a digital calling plan with a monthly access of $35.00 or above ($34.99 in the North East and West areas) with a two-year service agreement. When you have fulfilled your two-year service agreement, you will get up to $100.00 toward the purchase of your next wireless phone when you renew service on a digital calling plan with monthly access of $35.00 or above ($34.99 in the North East and West areas) for another two years of service with Verizon Wireless.
If you're currently a Verizon Wireless customer: Who is on a two-year service agreement with a digital calling plan of $35.00 or higher ($34.99 in the North East and West areas) AND began your two-year service agreement on or after 4/1/00, you are automatically enrolled in the program. This means at the end of your current two-year service agreement, you will get up to $100.00 toward the purchase of your next wireless phone when you renew service on a digital calling plan with a monthly access of $35.00 or above ($34.99 in the North East and West areas) for another two years of service with Verizon Wireless.
Customers who began service prior to 4/1/00, can enroll in the program by signing a new two-year service agreement with a digital calling plan of $35.00 or higher ($34.99 in the North East and West areas). You will be eligible to take advantage of the phone offer at the end of the new two-year service agreement.
Sign up today-with our New Every Two program, you'll always be ready for tomorrow!
For more information, talk to your sales representative
or call 800 2 JOIN IN (800 256 4646).
__________________
-Michael
Need help setting up your i730/i830 or other WM2003/WM5 Phone, as well as the other hacks I have done, check out the MRailing Guides and Links
If you are going to write to a CEO, then make sure you proof read, as you want to WRITE, not RIGHT a letter. I know this isn't a grammar forum, but if you are sending something to someone in charge, make sure you try to catch those mistakes, as I can tell you, they don't work out well for pleading your case (we all make those mistakes, so don't feel bad).
Second the NE2 program is an OPTION, they even say that in their terminology. "have the option to enjoy the latest features available." If the technology hasn't changed and isn't updated, how can we get a newer device. The NE2 program is there for you to get something newer if it's available and NOT be stuck with the same device that you got when you first signed up, and it's to get you a discount after your 2 years. It is NOT meant to hold Verizon to getting/updating technologywise every two years, it's meant so that you can get a different handheld every two years at a discount.
Verizon will tell you the same thing, and say, WE HAVE MANY OTHER PDA PHONES AVAILABLE, CHECK OUT ONE OF THOSE, even if the technology isn't different. Think about it, the technology of even some of the phones have gone backwards, heck the Moto V710 had the best radio of ANY handheld I have used since the switch to digital connections (instead of the 3 watt booters in the analog phones).
Technology isn't a constant, and who is to say that something WILL be better in 2 years from what you have.
Although we want the i760, and we want something newer, there are other handhelds out there, even though they aren't "upgrades" to the i730, but Verizon hasn't even announced the i760 (Samsung has), and Veizon really owes you nothing in terms of handhelds, which is the problem with a carrier selling handsets instead of the companies themselves.
It will be nice when everyone does what Apple did, and demands that they have control of the product, and we slowly move to where Samsung sells to us directly, and we can upgrade whenever we want.
The i760 will be out when Verizon is good and ready to do it, no matter how messed up their marketing people are and delaying it for no good reason. It's only been two years, and not everyone here is even ready for the NE2, so really what's another month till we get it. Sure I would be upset if they canceled it completely, but I keep getting told, it's coming soon, and I don't see Samsung letting them drop the device completely, they have too much invested in it.
thanks on the grammar check. i have already written my complaint letter and will be shipping it out tomorrow. but i triple-checked it several times after you caught my mistake.
as for your post, NE2 is a concrete promise with concrete value. it isn't just some wishy-washy catchphrase they use to sell phones. It's a value-added promise that they aggressively promote to lure customers.
I think you're letting them off the hook too easily. (Not that righteous indignation means anything to them, but still....) On the site I linked to, they say "No matter what the future advancements in mobile communications might be, you'll always have the option to enjoy the latest features available." They don't say you "might" have the option to get more advanced equipment, they say you WILL have the option. That's OUR option. It's our option whether to upgrade or not...they don't have the option, at least based on the NE2 language, to decide whether they provide us with more advanced handsets or not. They don't say you'll get technologically similar phones...if they did would NE2 really mean anything or be as catchy as it is. They themselves say NE2 was made to "ensure you WILL always have a MORE ADVANCED phone" and "the latest in digital technology." i don't care how good their lawyers or PR people, they can't spin any phone in their line-up as being more advanced than the i730. if they try, i'll just sic you on them.
we all know this is just venting and won't make a bit of difference. and your zen-like approach of patience is comforting. but they are dead wrong in this situation and I will tell them so.
Note the additional qualifying language in VZW's full presentation of NE2 benefits. Reproduced here in the interest of full disclosure...
From the very same masters of generosity and the King's English who have decreed that the word "Unlimited" shall henceforth mean "a limit of 5GB" (or is it now 4GB?):
Our New Every Two program can provide you with the latest in digital phone technology every two years...that we, in our sole and arbitrary opinion, deem adequate; that is sufficiently dumbed down and locked down that we may minimze support costs and maximize proprietary content sales; and that we shall sell to you at the highest possible price, and according to the most restrictive ToS, so as to offset fully the value of your NE2 and enhance our profitability; and subject to renewal of your service agreement for two years, or the duration of your lifetime, whichever is less. And Verizon Wireless is the first company to offer it.
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