From what I can tell, after hacking through the i760 for a month now, Samsung has very little software or software control on the i760. They have MITs, the keypad driver and that's pretty much it. Check for yoursef in the registry.
It seems to me that the i760 was designed just to run WM software. Even two hardware buttons are branded with the windows logo.
My point is, neither Samsung nor VZW is a big worry here. If you look up WM6.1 the windows site, the first thing you see is an i760. Windows pwns this device.
VZW may hold up the update to 6.1, but it will come from the windows mobile download site (I think a VZW tech had said that already). The update will come in time.
As for all the peeps who rag on the i760's tech, check out the S3C2440 microprocessor. That is what powers the i760 and a lot of HTC devices as well as a bunch of other handheld tech. (ever wonder why the sdhc drivers from an HTC work on the i760?) The outside of the i760 may look boring but inside there is a powerful triad nija pirate warrior that can cure aids and kill zombie hoards in the blink of an eye... oh and it has some pretty sweet assembly code that dwarfs most other devices with different cmos and or microprocessors. We mock what we don't understand.
In short, my phone can beat up your phone.
The plain fact is that anyone who would prefer to be on the AT&T or T Mobile network because of some minor device features doesn't have a clue. Would I like to have a wider choice of devices. You better believe it, but I am not going to fool myself into believing that any GSM provider in the U.S. market can provide BOTH the network coverage and performance that Verizon offers. Don't get me wrong, I am no fan of Verizon, but I have tried all of the other wireless carriers and there is no comparison. I still can't believe that people buy the iPhone and leave Verizon knowing that they will never have decent coverage or data performance. Actually, I shouldn't be surprised considering the people that I know who buy Apple products...nuf said.
All carriers have strengths and weaknesses, depending where you are in the country. However, Verizon probably has the best coverage in all areas the majority of the time. But AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile have definately closed that gap.
Back on topic. Anyone know where the Windows Update application connects to ? Does it go to Microsoft or is it hard-coded to VZW ? What the point of this application if you can't use it to upgrade.
All carriers have strengths and weaknesses, depending where you are in the country. However, Verizon probably has the best coverage in all areas the majority of the time. But AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile have definately closed that gap.
Back on topic. Anyone know where the Windows Update application connects to ? Does it go to Microsoft or is it hard-coded to VZW ? What the point of this application if you can't use it to upgrade.
I hope this update comes out on VZW however,.........
As I have stated before:
VZw is not sitting around saying boy-oh-boy I cant wait for Samsung to come out with an update for the i760!
First off there is no incentive for Samsung to come out with an update to a device that has already been released and is at the end of it's life cycle. Samsung has limited resources to work on an effort like this with no benefit to them in the context of revenue.
Second, the same goes for VZW. They do not have the infrastructure to service their customers on the current OS why would they want to go thru the expenses and resources to get another OS certified on an older device.
Both companies are looking to the next release of a new (crippled) device and a way to squeak out the next "leading edge" device. lol.........
Bottom line is I hope this is released but I for one will not be holding my breath.
1. I have to disagree. Verizon doesn't do squat in the OS development department. There just paper pushers... not developers. They tell Samsung what they want and Samsung works with Microsoft to develop what Verizon wants.
2. When Microsoft releases an update they are showing the direction they are heading with future changes. And any future changes will built on the last update. In other words, by Samsung constantly keeping the development teams up to date they are going to spend a lot less money over time because no one will have to learn from what seems like scratch when a major OS revision comes out. Also, by keeping the development teams up to date they will know how to program for new and exciting hardware. It appears from your words that you are looking at the situation in a very narrow minded perspective when it comes to revenue. Its not always about how much Samsung can sell of their product but about how they can save money internally. This is done by not having a project on hold because the development teams don't know how to get things working. Sometimes its good to think inside the box.
3. Verizon has such a large workforce that its obscene. There training for OS updates and when new phones come out is like watching a childrens video on learning the alphabet. In one Verizon employees words... its meant for idiots. Quite frankly there is no reason for them to update their workforce on new changes because their training won't cover what actually matters.
4. Verizon Wireless and Samsung US are looking at the next set of cheapen phones (Think of the phones as the bottom end and middle line series of cars from any car company.) that are on display during the executive meetings they hold quarterly. While South Korea's Samsung division is getting ready a 720p capable phone that can not just play 720p content but record in it too, were still waiting for phones that break the 3.2 megapixel barrier and have a "true" flash. The cutting edge for those in the US is but of mere dreams of owning products built and released in other countries. VZW has become but a sail boat to the rest of the worlds yachts.
No one should look to VZW for answers... just Samsung. Also, it is not that hard for one to squeak his way to being transferred to the engineering department at Samsung US.
AT&T's network is decent when you live in a major city.
There phone selection is better.
And their support for their devices is better.
I am done with Verizon. Once a phone comes out worthy of upgrading... I'm bailing and taking all our business phones not on contract with me.
Again, I am not a Verizon supporter, but you have obviously never used AT&T/Cingular. There is NO comparison in coverage - that includes major cities. I have lived in Southern California my entire life, and I have allowed myself to foolishly try their service twice in the last 5 years (not me, but my poor wife) with the same results. Now lets talk about phone selection. There is only one reason that GSM carriers have a wider-variety (notice I didn't say better) of device selections, and that is that there are far more GSM devices available due to the much larger global demand for GSM devices. Lastly, AT&T support is better?! You have to be kidding! I have personal experience with a SonyE phone that was so poorly made that they eventually had a mass replacement for all users of the phone. Of course, the mass replacement only happened after they had lost thousands of users because of their unwillingness to admit to the problem, and it happened 18 months after the phone was released. Oh, btw, it was one of the most popular phones produced by SonyE up to that point, so there were untold thousands of users that suffered through the problems with it. And then, to add insult to injury, they replaced the high-end, very expensive phone, with a crappy low-end SonyE phone with none of the features. So, good luck with your new carrier.
1. I have to disagree. Verizon doesn't do squat in the OS development department. There just paper pushers... not developers. They tell Samsung what they want and Samsung works with Microsoft to develop what Verizon wants.
2. When Microsoft releases an update they are showing the direction they are heading with future changes. And any future changes will built on the last update. In other words, by Samsung constantly keeping the development teams up to date they are going to spend a lot less money over time because no one will have to learn from what seems like scratch when a major OS revision comes out. Also, by keeping the development teams up to date they will know how to program for new and exciting hardware. It appears from your words that you are looking at the situation in a very narrow minded perspective when it comes to revenue. Its not always about how much Samsung can sell of their product but about how they can save money internally. This is done by not having a project on hold because the development teams don't know how to get things working. Sometimes its good to think inside the box.
3. Verizon has such a large workforce that its obscene. There training for OS updates and when new phones come out is like watching a childrens video on learning the alphabet. In one Verizon employees words... its meant for idiots. Quite frankly there is no reason for them to update their workforce on new changes because their training won't cover what actually matters.
4. Verizon Wireless and Samsung US are looking at the next set of cheapen phones (Think of the phones as the bottom end and middle line series of cars from any car company.) that are on display during the executive meetings they hold quarterly. While South Korea's Samsung division is getting ready a 720p capable phone that can not just play 720p content but record in it too, were still waiting for phones that break the 3.2 megapixel barrier and have a "true" flash. The cutting edge for those in the US is but of mere dreams of owning products built and released in other countries. VZW has become but a sail boat to the rest of the worlds yachts.
No one should look to VZW for answers... just Samsung. Also, it is not that hard for one to squeak his way to being transferred to the engineering department at Samsung US.
The only thing that I would add is that Verizon DOES do a great deal of internal testing of the handsets, in different configurations, as they come from the manufacturers. They also have programs for their largest users to beta test some of those handsets before they are released. The problem is that they are stuck in the old legacy RBOC engineering approval process from the regulated days of the telecom industry. That process (along with their marketing organizations) is extremely risk-averse and tends to want to remove leading-edge features rather than support them in a released product. We have all seen the results in ham-strung devices that have significant features removed or disabled. I doubt that this will ever change - although we can always hope.
The only thing that I would add is that Verizon DOES do a great deal of internal testing of the handsets, in different configurations, as they come from the manufacturers. They also have programs for their largest users to beta test some of those handsets before they are released. The problem is that they are stuck in the old legacy RBOC engineering approval process from the regulated days of the telecom industry. That process (along with their marketing organizations) is extremely risk-averse and tends to want to remove leading-edge features rather than support them in a released product. We have all seen the results in ham-strung devices that have significant features removed or disabled. I doubt that this will ever change - although we can always hope.
Don't doubt, it will change.
I'd say within the next 2 years.
Google or Micro$oft will see to it......if not the FCC.
Remeber Ma Bell?
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Just FYI...I talked to Verizon today and the lady said that they still haven't heard from Microsoft about 6.1. Was kind of funny actually...I could practically hear her roll her eyes when I asked. She said tons of customers have been asking that same question.
Again, I am not a Verizon supporter, but you have obviously never used AT&T/Cingular. There is NO comparison in coverage - that includes major cities.
i live in NYC and have had the Tilt since October. I have traveled to Orlando, Miami, Los Angeles, Houston, Missouri (to a small city), North Carolina (small city) and various small areas throughout New Jersey and Connecticut. No problems in any of the cities......clear calls, strong signals, GPS worked great. I had nothing but HSDPA in the signal bar (except Connecticut where some areas only had Edge).
I had an AT&T phone back in 1999 and I felt the same way you do. The service was horrid. However, now their network rivals VZW (at least at home and in areas I've visited). There really isn't that much of a difference anymore.
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OK so why the H E double tooth picks is VZW testing an OS change?
It has nothing to do with the radios on this or any device.
Again does youe ISP test new upgrades on PC's before you can use them on their service?........no.
If there was a change to the radio (phone sw) on the device I could see the FCC concerns. But this has nothing to do with FCC stuff.
Does anyone disagree with my thoughts?
It just amazes me how many people think that VZW is actually testing this for the benefit of their customers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It is because of certain features of the OS that have been crippled, er-hum "tested" by our VZW friends. And if they let the OS update go through to the customers without crippling...er-huh, testing, then a whole bunch of features may be turned back on!... Case in point, after the WM5 update on the i730 one could connect with Q2N for data access. I'm sure that was an oversight... No your ISP doesn't test new upgrades to your PC ... unless they want cripple something to their advantage... Our ISP does for that very reason...sigh
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I don't know about crippling features, but if Verizon is going to approve an OS upgrade, their techs are going to have to support it. If I were them I would test it. (Although personally I have no intention to upgrade after my i730 upgrade fiasco.)
I don't know about crippling features, but if Verizon is going to approve an OS upgrade, their techs are going to have to support it. If I were them I would test it. (Although personally I have no intention to upgrade after my i730 upgrade fiasco.)
You may be on to something here drdave. I was thinking about WM5 vs WM6 and what WM6.1 might have to offer. After hacking through my i760 and actually dumping my rom (yay for me, now what?), and after seeing the troubles that peeps have around here. I am wondering if I could just downgrade to WM5.x or something like that.
Alot of the problems that people attribute to the i760 are actually flaws in WM6.
No profiles? WM5 has em.
Bluetooth problems? WM5 doesn't have them. (I've been on other boards for several different devices and they have the same BT issues we have, they even cooked a rom with WM5's BT services).
Want an easy to customize "today" screen layout? Not with WM6, but in WM5 all you needed were the CLSIDs for the plugins and a little XML know how.
And that is just the tip of the iceberg when I compare our problems in WM6 vs the fixes I've seen using cooked roms that include WM5 files to fix the problems. Not to mention all the reading I've been doing on the i70's microprocessor and what it can do vs what M$ lets it do. (No GPS is not part of the package, if you want that get the BB 8830 or some newer hipper device.)
Don't hate the SCH-i760, Samsung or Verizon. WM6.1 will not be some sort of panacea that makes your PPC/Phone shoot out rainbow colored unicorns and pretty sparkles. WM6 and up is really restrictive for most users. That is unless you happen to have MS Visual Studio w/.net plugin AND PlatformBuilder along with actually knowing how to code for WM6.
Hell don't even hate on Micro$oft, they are out there getting paid as much as they can for the smallest amount of expenditure on their part. I do the same stuff. Most programmers/consultants do the same thing, they never code themselves out of a job, even if it meant that their client would have 100% satisfaction. I bet everyone reading this works a job to get money, some of us are even (dare I say it) greedy bastards. I know I am.
Anyway, I lost my track there, don't get all stressed about the i760 and a possible WM6.1 upgrade. It might not be all that you think it will be.
Just my wooden nickel.
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