I appreciate you guys trying to help us not lose our money by buying something that may most likely will not work, but the other side of the coin in terms of evidence it may work is:
1) The guy guarantees it to work from what I understand, saying it should and has worked on many other i730s. So there's one, yes, biased piece of extra testimony that others have had it work. From what I can tell his rating approval rate is not bad as it's 98%. So I think that counts for something.
2) We have reports that it's worked on AT LEAST one i730.
3) Only two people reported their findings in this thread, which is not a great batch to work from in terms of making inferences or especially conclusions.
4) Its really not that much money..I've seen it go down to 50 bucks, back to 68 and then back again..it's not too far from the price of a 4 GB as sold in many places. While I definitely take the "don't lose your money" seriously as I don't have wads of cash to work with myself, I'd like to put the whole Bible on the SD Card, AND keep my iGuidance on it as well as everything else, but I can only do that if I have an SD Card really. It should be around 6 GBs for all of it I believe, lossless
5) We used to think, according to Darwinistic assumptions that there was a lot of purposeless human body parts, and just because we didn't know their function, we deemed/declaired them worthless, only to later discover they did have a purpose. Meanwhile peeps are without vital body parts having taken them out because of this assumption, and are suffering for it. In light of that I think we should really reexamine our assumptions about reality and how they may effects us and others..even if it's about whether to buy an SD Card or not.
While I won't get cancer from getting (or not getting) an 8GB SD Card, but may just have something else I need to sell on Ebay, the hope that it may work for our device is not really as bleak as it is being stated on this thread is it? I don't think so at least.
While what you're saying should definitely be taken into consideration, we really have more than a 50/50 percent chance this will work. Why be so dismissive based on 2 reports? Does anyone else have any first hand news they can give about the Samsung 8 GB SD Card as to whether it worked on their device? If the majority of several say it didn't work, that might be enough for me..I think
There was nothing "special" I had to do to get the 8GB card to work.
Plug n PRAY...maybe you forgot the PRAY part.
Honestly, I don't know why it's working on my phone...but it is.
Hi. I was wondering if you had tried the 8GB SD Card in another i730 to see if it was the Card that made it more prone to be recognized or if there was something with your i730 that made it recognize it. Samsung said they only support up to 1 or 2 GBs of course.
Hi. I was doing a little searching and found this. If the i73 has absolutely no SDHC support, what does the registry entry SDHC_MAINSTONE (under HKLM Drivers-BuiltIn) do? Does anyone know if this could be why the Samsung 8GB SD Card worked for Techmillion and not for ours..perhaps because the configuration is slightly different on his vs ours perhaps? Is our Adata 4 GB SD SDHC? I realize from talking to Level 1, 2, and 3 techs at Samsung, that Samsung won't support past 512mb SDs, or 2GB SDs depending on who you talk to, but if Techmillions works, and if our Adata 4GB works (presumably is SDHC), how can they or we say the i730 has no support for SDHC at all?
What if Techmillions works in another i730? What does that mean exactly? That theres something with the card that makes it truly compatible (even though they made it so it shouldn't be? If it doesn't work, does that mean that there's something with his devices configuration thats different from ours to make it work?
I also dug a bit and also found this..would all or any of the following enable us to get the card working? I don't feel capable enough to try it. Could anyone perhaps try it and let us know if it helps? Thanks.
When a new Secure Digital (SD) card is inserted, the bus driver uses the registry keys under HKLM\Drivers\SDCARD\ClientDrivers\ to determine the correct client driver to load. The bus driver loads the client driver based on card type, SD I/O (SDIO) class, or a custom identifier.
The client driver registry path must, at minimum, contain the following:
· A DLL value that contains the name of the driver DLL file.
· A Prefix value that contains the three letter prefix of the driver.
If the bus driver is unable to locate a custom driver for the card, it will search for a driver based on the card type or SDIO class.
SD Memory Client Driver
The following registry entry is necessary to load an SD memory client driver.
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[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\SDCARD\ClientDrivers\Class\SDMemory_Class]
SD memory client drivers that are manageable by Power Manager must use this registry entry to advertise a PMCLASS_BLOCK_DEVICE interface. The following registry entry shows the required settings.
The following registry entry can be used to override the default setting and load a custom client driver.
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[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\SDCARD\ClientDrivers\Custom\CID-M-AA-PPPPP]
The M value is the manufacturer ID, the AA value is the two character OEM application ID, and the PPPPP value is the five character product name.
SDIO Device
The following registry entry can be used to load an SDIO device.
The following registry entry can be used to load a custom SDIO device.
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[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\SDCARD\ClientDrivers\Custom\MANF-<manufacturer ID>-CARDID-<card ID>-FUNC-<function number>]
The manufacturer ID and card ID values should be stored in hexadecimal. The function number can be set to any value from 1 to 7.
I've been reading this forum for a while, considering taking the plunge. I just sent an ebay message to fastmemoryman, asking him to verify that he still guarantees the 8gb Samsung card working on the i730. If he does, I'll purchase one for each of our phones (mine and my wife's). I'll post what happens to this forum.
I again will mention, the 8GB card will not work on the i730/i830. Ebay sellers have no idea specifically about our phones, and asking them they will tell you it will work, or it should work.
Coming direct from a contact who I have spent many hours on the phone with at Samsung, any card with SDHC will NOT work with the reader on the card, and it's not the software side. The hardware itself has issues.
Now I can't explain why one person was able to get it to work, but out of the cards I tried myself, they did not work, and Samsung told me directly that it will read 4GB (non-SDHC) and lower cards. They said that even 4GB you need to be careful because memory corruption is easy to happen, and to keep the stuff backed up on a PC.
I am just mentioning this again, so you don't waste money. You can do what you want, and the testing you want, but it won't work. (I am not saying this because I don't want it to work, I am saying it because it is just the fact. To me the data on my SD card is to important to loose to possible corruption that I have even quit using my 4 GB card).
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I again will mention, the 8GB card will not work on the i730/i830. Ebay sellers have no idea specifically about our phones, and asking them they will tell you it will work, or it should work.
Coming direct from a contact who I have spent many hours on the phone with at Samsung, any card with SDHC will NOT work with the reader on the card, and it's not the software side. The hardware itself has issues.
Now I can't explain why one person was able to get it to work, but out of the cards I tried myself, they did not work, and Samsung told me directly that it will read 4GB (non-SDHC) and lower cards. They said that even 4GB you need to be careful because memory corruption is easy to happen, and to keep the stuff backed up on a PC.
I am just mentioning this again, so you don't waste money. You can do what you want, and the testing you want, but it won't work. (I am not saying this because I don't want it to work, I am saying it because it is just the fact. To me the data on my SD card is to important to loose to possible corruption that I have even quit using my 4 GB card).
So if its a hardware limitation on the i730 that keeps it from using SDHC, doesn't that mean Techmillion has something special on his particular phone, or is it that wthe card is less guarded with its makers desire for you to not be able to use it on non supported SDHC devices? What do you think would happen if he tried that card in another i730? Or is your guess as good as mine?
Its' frustrating to see that HTC Wizard and even Treo devices are getting cool stuff..like the hack for SDHC, or WM6, or what not..where were left in the dust. How in the word is an old Palm Treo able to get a driver for FAT32 but the i730 is not? That's annoying
Concerning the previous posts I left, do you know what the SDHC registry thingy in our i730s is for?
That is one of the problems with the i730/i830 compared to the other devices. The Treo's and HTC devices are released worldwide, so the user base is HUGE in comparison to the i730/i830, which is limited to the US and until recent with the i830, to one carrier. This is why the HTC and Treo devices keep getting more and more done, since so many people are working and hacking on them, and with a very small group working on the i730/i830, not much happens, especially with the limited expertise of some of the people, which the experts typically go for a device they know they can hack on.
I don't know why techmillion's device is reading/writing to a card, mine hasn't worked with the 3 different SD cards I have tried, and I am not wasting any more money or time on it, since the i760 is around the corner, and I just don't have the time to do it (heck I can't even finish my dial skin).
I agree it's frustrating, but if we had a GSM phone that was released worldwide, or had a CDMA version of a GSM phone released worldwide, it might be different, but our device is around 1% of the market share for PDA Phones, if not less...
I am just relaying what has been told to me and my experience. The Samsung tech support guy could be wrong, but I have his direct number, and if it turns about to be wrong, I will be calling him on it (and no I won't give out the number, as I was told not to, and the guy isn't in the calling loop or techs you get on the phone). You are welcome to mess with it, but you would be better off grabbing two 4GB non-SDHC cards and using them, since we KNOW they work on MULTIPLE i730s... Not just one persons device.
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Need help setting up your i730/i830 or other WM2003/WM5 Phone, as well as the other hacks I have done, check out the MRailing Guides and Links
That is one of the problems with the i730/i830 compared to the other devices. The Treo's and HTC devices are released worldwide, so the user base is HUGE in comparison to the i730/i830, which is limited to the US and until recent with the i830, to one carrier. This is why the HTC and Treo devices keep getting more and more done, since so many people are working and hacking on them, and with a very small group working on the i730/i830, not much happens, especially with the limited expertise of some of the people, which the experts typically go for a device they know they can hack on.
I don't know why techmillion's device is reading/writing to a card, mine hasn't worked with the 3 different SD cards I have tried, and I am not wasting any more money or time on it, since the i760 is around the corner, and I just don't have the time to do it (heck I can't even finish my dial skin).
I agree it's frustrating, but if we had a GSM phone that was released worldwide, or had a CDMA version of a GSM phone released worldwide, it might be different, but our device is around 1% of the market share for PDA Phones, if not less...
I am just relaying what has been told to me and my experience. The Samsung tech support guy could be wrong, but I have his direct number, and if it turns about to be wrong, I will be calling him on it (and no I won't give out the number, as I was told not to, and the guy isn't in the calling loop or techs you get on the phone). You are welcome to mess with it, but you would be better off grabbing two 4GB non-SDHC cards and using them, since we KNOW they work on MULTIPLE i730s... Not just one persons device.
Hey Michael. Yes this sucks..Do you happen to know anyone we could maybe pay to get them to make say, Windows Mobile 6 for us, or other things, as I believe if that is made it comes with SDHC support, if only software is the issue? I see something in the registry that mentions SDHC, so I wonder if something different tweak wise in there is what enabled Techmillions to work. I was also curious to know again which SD Cards did you try with it? I know someone who said theyre trying an Adata one as well as a Samsung one. Thanks.
...(beat dead horse) Lots of companies/hackers out there are releasing firmware updates and driver patches that enable SDHC support on their "SD only" devices, just in the past few days.(/beat dead horse)
I'm not sure if this program even works on the i730, but I think it may help to see if you can detect the SDHC card by using the phone as a card reader. Wouldn't that show how compatible the hardware is?
...(beat dead horse) Lots of companies/hackers out there are releasing firmware updates and driver patches that enable SDHC support on their "SD only" devices, just in the past few days.(/beat dead horse)
What software do you have installed? Maybe one or more of the programs you have on there made it work.
I don't think he frequents the forum much. I asked something a while ago but no answer..You think you'll try the registry instructions above? I don't know how to enter in the second line of registry {bla bla bla} then the other one {bla bla bla). Do you know how to do it? I dont care about messing my phone up, I have backups and can easily reformat if I screw it up..
I don't think he frequents the forum much. I asked something a while ago but no answer..You think you'll try the registry instructions above? I don't know how to enter in the second line of registry {bla bla bla} then the other one {bla bla bla). Do you know how to do it? I dont care about messing my phone up, I have backups and can easily reformat if I screw it up..
I'd have to stare at them a while and see what they do. Not sure when I'd ever have time for it. I obviously dont care about messing my phone up, either (see post #73. it's back together and working again, and I have pictures, btw). I just have trouble finding the time to tinker like that.
Ive seen this before but what exactly is it? It lets you use the sd card as another harddrive or something??
It will make the storage card and phone together show up as a USB Mass Storage Drive, just like a thumbdrive would. Would probably show up in My Computer as "Removable Drive [X]:". I installed the program, and it runs, but I didn't have a card in my phone (SDHC or not) to test out how well it works. I pulled my last SD card apart to try and obliterate that stupid write-protect tab.
It will make the storage card and phone together show up as a USB Mass Storage Drive, just like a thumbdrive would. Would probably show up in My Computer as "Removable Drive [X]:". I installed the program, and it runs, but I didn't have a card in my phone (SDHC or not) to test out how well it works. I pulled my last SD card apart to try and obliterate that stupid write-protect tab.
So wait what you're planning on trying is to have the i730 be incorporated as one removable drive, and then what, format the card to FAT16? What exactly are you planning on doing. And what exactly is the benefit to having it be unified as one storage device? From previous discussions I saw about the program, they somehow used it to have UPX4PPC compress the entire SD CARD I believe? I didn't try that yet..This sounds interesting what youre doing btw. Also what is the purpose of taking out the write protect tab..? Can't you just flip the white switch up or down to get it to lock or unlock?? One other question..my Adata 4GB SD Cards glue came undone, and now when I push on it, it can split apart...Would you suggest I just siuper glue it or send it back for a replacement..assuming Adata covers that warranty wise..if super glue, where exactly should I glue it? where they come together on the outside or inside?
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