classic. leave it to VZW to test devices for such a long time that they are OUTDATED by the the time they are shipped.
'no official promises.... forward-compatible with the the next version of Windows Mobile'
just like the i700 was? of course it is. we only waited ONE YEAR for that upgrade. what a joke.
wi-fi is great and all, but by the time this phone ships, most of us will have moved on and stopped WAITING for this phone.
my personal prediction; late summer for the i730 without camera. maybe Q4 2005 for the i730 WITH camera.
if the phonescoop article is accurate - it only proves that once again, VZW blows it. we are always one generation behind the rest.
its sad.
maybe the wave of 'early adopter' defections from VZW will begin now.
can anyone explain why VZW cant tell us their release schedule? its the early 21st century. why is info for these cell phones treated like the formula for Coke?
Actually, the info isn't treated like coke. if it was, we weren't be drooling over it.
Well, if the phone doesn't work too well - we all bitch. If it comes out late b/c of testing - we bitch. What do you guys want?
It takes lots of effort and time to test adn make sure these work. WE have enough glitches as it is. Its never going to be perfect but it can be worst.
Originally posted by Diminium Actually, the info isn't treated like coke. if it was, we weren't be drooling over it.
Well, if the phone doesn't work too well - we all bitch. If it comes out late b/c of testing - we bitch. What do you guys want?
It takes lots of effort and time to test adn make sure these work. WE have enough glitches as it is. Its never going to be perfect but it can be worst.
The devices as designed and manufactured by the vendor work fine as is on the CDMA networks.
Well, almost . . . I'm still bothered by the fact that it seems like a much more fragile device compared to the i730 or the Treo, which is a trade-off for the bigger screen and greater processing power I know. i730 would have solved that problem by the having a better form factor and on top of that a faster processor.
So, which one's better for a student like me at this point, the simpler Treo or XV6600 for Verizon (especially when the Treo won't be out for another 3-4 weeks) . . . hmm . . .
How do you know the treo is going to be out in a few weeeks? Also why is everyone putting so much weight into this article? We all saw estimated release dates before and no one was bumbed, this one could be just as wrong. Truth is none of us reallly know and likely wont know without signing a non disclosure agreement (NDA).
IMO, the problem is VZW wanting to have the device support everything they offer and have their people trained on it.
As soon as the product hits, you are going to have thousands of people getting the phone and asking the "How do I?" questions. They need to make sure Blackberry and Wireless Sync and *shudder* Get It Now works and their Reps ready to help customers That is what slows down everything.
If it was as simple and providing the phone to people like us, there would be no trouble getting the phone released. We probably will know more about how to work that phone than 90% of their reps within the first 2 months.
(One of the Data Team leads told me that once when I was explaining to his reps how Wireless sync works.)
*shakes head* I'm continually amazed that VZW gets a bad rap for trying (with admittedly mixed results) to promote quality over bleeding edge.
Would I like a chance to drool over an i730 sooner, rather than later? Sure.
But if there's one thing surfing these forums has taught me, it's that brand-new smartphones all suck, to some degree, out of the gate. I'm willing to wait until the suck is beaten out of a model before I take the plunge.
Originally posted by mshappe *shakes head* I'm continually amazed that VZW gets a bad rap for trying (with admittedly mixed results) to promote quality over bleeding edge.
Would I like a chance to drool over an i730 sooner, rather than later? Sure.
But if there's one thing surfing these forums has taught me, it's that brand-new smartphones all suck, to some degree, out of the gate. I'm willing to wait until the suck is beaten out of a model before I take the plunge.
I am content to wait if the product works. Imagine if you paid for the HP 63XX phone from t-Mobile (some of you did) only to discover all the problems users have found with that phone and that t-Mobile has to pull it off the market!
Talk about by-passing the network testing. Do you think TMO will buy those phones back from those poor people? I doubt it.
I will be happy if it shows on or around the 15th of May. That's when my contract is up...so if that is any indicator for the VZW folks...hint..hint...can YOU hear me now?
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Funny it worked.....the last time!!Now I am not sure what was working before they put a hole in my head!!!!
Originally posted by equus I will be happy if it shows on or around the 15th of May. That's when my contract is up...so if that is any indicator for the VZW folks...hint..hint...can YOU hear me now?
That means you are eligible now. Verizon's policy for a new phone is this:
10th month in a 1 yr contract
22nd month in a 2 yr contract
In other words, if you have 2 months left on your contract, you are eligible (of course, you have to sign up again for another year or 2).
I still dont understand why these endless testing cycles / release delays occur. No matter how much 'testing', these devices always have tech support and customer service issues. The Moto 710 was doubtless 'tested' for months and months and was a COMPLETE DEBACLE anyway.
The whole reason telecom standards are establsihed is to allow for operability. CDMA = CDMA. What needs testing for this amount of time? Dont they test these devices as they develop them at all?
I can understand a 'burn-in' phase of a few weeks or so, but there must be marketing/corporate concerns at work here too, not just network testing.
As someone who spent four years working in the early VOIP industry, I can tell you that 'standards' are all very nice, but utterly meaningless if the implementations don't actually come up to them.
The H.323 VOIP standards, for example, are so detailed and convoluted and riddled with features and options and the like that it's quite possible to have two implementations that are standard-compliant that won't talk to each other at all!
I have no idea how complex CDMA is by comparison, but I just want to dispell the myth that standards actually mean much The only proof of interoperability is to put something into operation and see if it works!
Why do you say its so fragil? I played w/ it alot in the store, it seems pretty solid to me. I assume your worried about the side out board right? What verizon offers a 1yr warenty, and I could buy insurance right?
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Originally posted by tange1 Why do you say its so fragil? I played w/ it alot in the store, it seems pretty solid to me. I assume your worried about the side out board right? What verizon offers a 1yr warenty, and I could buy insurance right?
Not just 'could' but 'should'. Whether you get the XV6600, the i730 (when it comes out), or a Treo -- or any phone you actually have to pay more than $10 for -- you're making an investment in potentially fragile and difficult to replace electronic equipment. Not having that insured by some means is just silly. Cingular lost all chance of gaining me as a customer because the won't insure high-end phones!
With all of these more complex phones, there appear to be two kinds of people -- people who somehow have continual issues with them, and people who don't. So far, I'm definitely in the latter category. I've done one hard-reset already, but that really was entirely my own fault (and a long story I won't go into here). All my important data was backed up to permanent storage and to WirelessSync, so nothing was lost except a few moment's time.
On the other hand, I've had the phone in my hands all of 48 hours
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