iPhone Fees....

So the iPhone battery will only take between 200-300 charges, then you have to send the iPhone to apple, pay them $80, they hold the phone for 3 business days (you are SOL if you send it on a Thursday I guess) and potenially pay them $30 to use a loaner iPhone while yours is in the shop getting a new battery.

So for me, when I get home from work, I need to charge my phone (5pm) then I do yard work (new house) and use my phone for a bit more, then charge it on my nightstand when I go to bed. Weekends I probably charge my phones twice a day as well, just incase I am going out that evening so I have a full charge.

300 charges, 2 charges a day, that gives me 150 days or roughly 4 to 5 months of use, then pay apple $80, be w/ out my phone for nearly a week, use my phone for another 4 to 5 months and pay apple another $80...

Apple wants to put What in their mouth??? yeah right.... you have to either have lots of extra money laying around and want to use a toy phone w/ ZERO practicle uses while trying to use the slowest data network to browse the web with no stylus... my fingers kept hitting the wrong web links on web pages.

Anyone wonder why apple only sold just over 100,000 of these the 1st weekend when they thought 500,000 would be the magic number? Well because the iPhone is just a bad product, on a bad carrier for data, and you have to use a bad minute plan.

Other than that, it's great to look at!! ooooooo shinny!! (sarcasim galore)

I'll come back w/ more positivly bad stuff w/ the iPhone when I'm done customizing one of my new 3rd party apps on my mogul.

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As many people have said, the iPhone is marketed to a different crowd then us. However they are marketing it as if it is the first phone to operate like a smartphone or PocketPC phone. It has a couple of good ideas I am sure we will see on the next generation PocketPC phones. I just hope we keep the keyboard and buttons. The browser magnifier would be a nice to have feature.

Apple, we too can browse the real Internet!

"Anyone wonder why apple only sold just over 100,000 of these the 1st weekend when they thought 500,000 would be the magic number? Well because the iPhone is just a bad product, on a bad carrier for data, and you have to use a bad minute plan.
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And out of that number how many went back before the 30 day trial was up is the big question, that number will never be disclosed.

I just upgraded my i500 to Mogul last week after closely comparing among iPhone, Helio Ocean, Mogul and Treo 755P. With all things considered and further motivated by the SERO's rediculous low rate, I have chosen the Mogul. There is no perfect phones out there and you have make compromises to settle on one which can best serve your needs. I don't think that any serious cell phone users can live without 3G network nowadays. iPhone's innovative UI is what industry should mimic and improve on. But UI alone is not the deciding factor for selecting a right phone for you, especially in the business world. The lack of 3G support, real keyboard, GPS, replaceable battery, ample applications, choice of carriers and open developing environment make iPhone a wrong choice for serious users.

HTC Vogue will arrive in coming months. It is an EVDO version of Touch. It is sort of like an iPhone with Mogul inside. TouchFLO makes a good start to mimic iPhone's navigation method. But it doesn't have iPhone's shortcomings. It even has 128mb RAM the Mogul lacks. That will be my dream phone for my future upgrades.

I read the Vogue expected battery is 1150 mAh and with 128mb ram it will eat more power. Also the screen is still 2.8", while iPhone is 3.5", that is the main thing that makes the iPhone nice is 480x320 res. I wonder what will come of 'google phone', they were supposed to be working with HTC or samsung last I read.

Talk time will be shockingly bad on the Vogue. Think Moto Q except even worse!

I'm pretty sure your numbers with regards to sales figures and charge cycles of the iPhone are off by quite a bit.

I love the capability of the Mogul, but I think it sucks that the hardware seems to be at least a full generation behind what they've integrated into the iPhone (3G aside). I think in the end, I may stick with the Mogul based purely on cost. This is pretty darn significant since you could essentially squeeze an Archos 605 Wifi (160 GB version) or the next iteration of iPod into the price gap between the Mogul and the iPhone especially if you go the full 2 year term of either contract. It'd be neat if you could somehow tether the Archos unit off the Mogul similar to like a Palm Folio type idea. I'm kind of thinking having a truly converged all in one gadget is basically not going to happen within this generation of devices. There's simply too many concessions you have to make with any single device.

I wonder if it's just mine, but the speaker on this Mogul is quite literally the worst of basically any phone i've had that's actually had a speaker.

Battery is the LAST reason I returned it. It's 200-400 FULL charges. A typical day is 1/3 of the battery. So that's about 600-1200 charges 2-4 years. Battery on the iPhone is the best i've seen on a PDA phone. I'm sure there will be plenty of 3rd parties that will replace battery cheaper too. This with a bigger brighter, sharper screen. WIFI although uses more power does extremely well. I'd rather have iPhones power management and capacity than have to carry around spare batteries during the day any time. I'll be the first to bash stupid choices Apple made but I'll also credit them where they made good choices. The Battery is perfectly fine. Your comparing battery usage to historically poor PDA devices.

They activated 150,000 in the first weekend and they expected 200,000-500,000. It's really hard to say. AT&T was super overloaded and may not have got everyone activated that tried on the same day they bought it. They may have sold boatloads over internet as well. There are not that many Apple stores around either to actually sell them. AT&T could not sell them initially.

It really is a very nice device. I almost kept it with no Voice/Data Plan. I look forward to when other PDA/Phone makers borrow some ideas from Apple. I love the touch screen.

I played around with an iPhone this past weekend, first time hands on. Absolutely fell in love with the form factor, it is a seriously beautiful phone. I was almost embarrased by the brick of a Mogul weighing down my pants pocket.

I played around with the UI and I realized that other than the smoothness/quickness of the UI, I could not see what the big deal was about. For me there was no substance, ie: I missed all my Pocket PC functionality and programs.

Also while on the internet with the iPhone I was not impressed with the viewing system. I much prefer PIE's intelligent one column view, I don't think I've encountered a regular web page that PIE c