i have the next web card. i filled it with a few movies so there was almsot no space left. they all play fine throughout the whole ntire movie list. they all work so the card is an actual 4gb card.
Now heres food for thought. the ink on the nextweb card that people are claiming is fake, compare it to the 512mb card that came with your phone. i dont klnow about yours but mine are the same, both faded.
People aren't "claiming" they are fake. Sandisk has looked at this thread, my pictures of the cards, and others pictures of the cars, and confirmed that they ARE fake. At least one other member has sent their pictures to Sandisk as well and they even posted a copy of the Sandisk RMA page saying they are fake.... which is the same reply I got. If Sandisk has examined it and says they are fake, then they are. This isn't something we are still trying to decide... they are fake. The formal position of Sandisk on this issue trumps any other conjecture or opinion on the matter. I would recommend anyone with these cards to return them for refund. I intend to do the same.
Helpful info from SanDisk, including Class ratings for microSD cards. Looks like the 4GB card will be sold with a USB 2.0 compliant "MicroMate" reader.
Know that I'm just playing devils advocate here, I got a nextweb card myself and would be royally pissed if its fake, but I still have "reasonable doubt"
There's no pix to show what constitute a legit card.
FYI, After taking a look at the serial#s as well as the C2 logo on the nextweb card under a microsope at work, both appear to be laser etch.(laser etching require additional equipment, which typically are not seen on cheap fake ie small card relabel/hacked FAT to big card, but in this case if this is a fake we're dealing with, then it is a very high quality fake and don't tell us much.)
attached is a pix... best i can do with the crappy auto focus on the mogul's camera.
Know that I'm just playing devils advocate here, I got a nextweb card myself and would be royally pissed if its fake, but I still have "reasonable doubt"
There's no pix to show what constitute a legit card.
FYI, After taking a look at the serial#s as well as the C2 logo on the nextweb card under a microsope at work, both appear to be laser etch.(laser etching require additional equipment, which typically are not seen on cheap fake ie small card relabel/hacked FAT to big card, but in this case if this is a fake we're dealing with, then it is a very high quality fake and don't tell us much.)
attached is a pix... best i can do with the crappy auto focus on the mogul's camera.
How can you have "reasonable doubt" when Sandisk has looked at the images of the cards and officially stated that they are not genuine Sandisk cards? I'm not sure what more you need to convinced. Good quality fakes for a discount have been around with many products for a long time. There are people around here that have "handbag sales" and openly sell fake purses from companies like Coach, for about 1/3 the regular price. Many people buy them and are happy to do so. If you are happy saving a few bucks, having a good fake, and supporting pirating, that is certainly your decision. I will be persuing a refund and will buy a genuine card. And, there is at least one flaw with the card I got in that it gets stuck in the slot. I had a bear of a time getting it out and thought for a while that I may not be able to get it out. In contrast, my other two cards slip in and out with a click as smooth as silk.
because, i know customer service rep at any large corporation is pretty much hit or miss. just talk to a sprint CS for example. also its not uncommon for changes made to a product to not get commnicate through to all departments.
My definition of "reasonable doubt" = should we put this guy up for the death sentence
while this situation is not as grave as a death sentence decision, I hate jumping to conclusion without everything being hammer out.
I guess what I'm looking for is something along the line of....
Can we get a list of definitation/justification/standard from sandisk RMA/CS as to what they used to made their determination that it is a fake card?
Most intentional fake seller would disappear instead of trying to protect their own name, if Nextweb had the guts to step up and post here, and it is a fake product, more than likely they are also victims along with the rest of us.
If we use another poster's msg saying the the 4gb should be sold with a "MicroMate" reader, then does that mean the VZW cards are fake also?
My list of things leading to my "reasonable doubt"
4gb micro SDHC is not a common product that's easy to manufacture and fake, only kingmax and sandisk have announce production.
Most case of fake card are small cards relabel/hacked FAT to make it look bigger, or lower performance/quality cards(ala SanDisk Ultra 2 CF card fakes)
Nextweb card is same capacity and performance is on par with VZW card performance.
Nextweb stepping up to defend themselves.
Bestbuy's adapter also have the same labels?
The serial # was confirm by Sandisk as valid.
The Pocket Mechanic report MFG id = 30 and MFG name = Sandisk (the SanDisk Ultra II 2GB CF card low quality akes had different stuff listed, I'm trying to compare this with Marc's VZW card but have not yet got an answer back)
Feel free to shoot down any of the item in this list, I won't take offense(as long as its not a flame)
My list of things leading me to think it may be fake.
Sandisk RMA/CS saying so (and I admit this is a pretty strong argument!!!)
The "play arrow" spacing between the arrow and the sandisk logo on the nextweb card is off compare to the PR pix(this is something I noticed but havn't seen anyone mention on this thread).
Good points all, however, the MicroMate adapter is a direct SanDisk pack-in. I don't think lack of the adapter on Verizon-packaged cards calls their authenticity into question at all. The packaging (cardboard insert) does bear Verizon branding on the cards they sell. This guarantess authenticity in my mind.
Well, I can't say if the card is a fake or not, but Next Web did give me a refund for my defective card so that's definitely a plus for them.
One negative for Sandisk is that their customer service is atrocious. I have a more favorable perception of Sprint's CSRs than Sandisk's (shock and awe).
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because, i know customer service rep at any large corporation is pretty much hit or miss. just talk to a sprint CS for example. also its not uncommon for changes made to a product to not get commnicate through to all departments.
My definition of "reasonable doubt" = should we put this guy up for the death sentence
while this situation is not as grave as a death sentence decision, I hate jumping to conclusion without everything being hammer out.
I guess what I'm looking for is something along the line of....
Can we get a list of definitation/justification/standard from sandisk RMA/CS as to what they used to made their determination that it is a fake card?
Most intentional fake seller would disappear instead of trying to protect their own name, if Nextweb had the guts to step up and post here, and it is a fake product, more than likely they are also victims along with the rest of us.
If we use another poster's msg saying the the 4gb should be sold with a "MicroMate" reader, then does that mean the VZW cards are fake also?
My list of things leading to my "reasonable doubt"
4gb micro SDHC is not a common product that's easy to manufacture and fake, only kingmax and sandisk have announce production.
Most case of fake card are small cards relabel/hacked FAT to make it look bigger, or lower performance/quality cards(ala SanDisk Ultra 2 CF card fakes)
Nextweb card is same capacity and performance is on par with VZW card performance.
Nextweb stepping up to defend themselves.
Bestbuy's adapter also have the same labels?
The serial # was confirm by Sandisk as valid.
The Pocket Mechanic report MFG id = 30 and MFG name = Sandisk (the SanDisk Ultra II 2GB CF card low quality akes had different stuff listed, I'm trying to compare this with Marc's VZW card but have not yet got an answer back)
Feel free to shoot down any of the item in this list, I won't take offense(as long as its not a flame)
My list of things leading me to think it may be fake.
Sandisk RMA/CS saying so (and I admit this is a pretty strong argument!!!)
The "play arrow" spacing between the arrow and the sandisk logo on the nextweb card is off compare to the PR pix(this is something I noticed but havn't seen anyone mention on this thread).
I think that all of this is fine, but its not anthing the consumer should have to deal with. I bought a product advertised as Sandisk. Sandisk says it isn't a genuine Sandisk product and instructed me to return it to the retailer. The retailer needs to go back to Sandisk to settle this, not me. I don't expect Sandisk to publish a "how do we tell its a fake" guide, because then the folks making fake products could use the guide to fix all the flaws in their fakes, right? The key here is that NextWeb has the issue with Sandisk, not me. I got quick response from Sandisk, with a concrete answer in writing.
And all of that said, the fact that the card got phyically stuck in my 6800 gives me plenty of doubt about it being real. Who knows, maybe these were factory defects, test runs, who knows... I don't care, I just want a product that Sandisk will say is genuine.
I think that all of this is fine, but its not anthing the consumer should have to deal with. I bought a product advertised as Sandisk. Sandisk says it isn't a genuine Sandisk product and instructed me to return it to the retailer. The retailer needs to go back to Sandisk to settle this, not me. I don't expect Sandisk to publish a "how do we tell its a fake" guide, because then the folks making fake products could use the guide to fix all the flaws in their fakes, right? The key here is that NextWeb has the issue with Sandisk, not me. I got quick response from Sandisk, with a concrete answer in writing.
And all of that said, the fact that the card got phyically stuck in my 6800 gives me plenty of doubt about it being real. Who knows, maybe these were factory defects, test runs, who knows... I don't care, I just want a product that Sandisk will say is genuine.
Just, FYI...
I've used the Sandisk card from Verizon, Next Web's card, and another 2 GB microsd card I bought from Newegg. All three easily get stuck. The only card that doesn't get stuck is the card that came with the phone. Not sure why.
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Convergent I completely agree! That's why I'm sort of waiting to hear what's next(if Nextweb come back to clear this up with Sandisk or not), and not jumping the gun and sending it back and asking for a refund right away.
I don't quite completely agree on the "how do tell fake guide" though, traditionally companies distinguish fake from real using high tech/difficult to imitate or expensive/cost prohitbitive process for fakers such as laser hologram or microprints. not relying on "changing minor apperance on the products" which I'm sure you all agree is easy to duplicate and only a matter of time before it got duplicated.
I've used the Sandisk card from Verizon, Next Web's card, and another 2 GB microsd card I bought from Newegg. All three easily get stuck. The only card that doesn't get stuck is the card that came with the phone. Not sure why.
Is the card you got from Newegg also a SanDisk? I have a Kingston 2GB card that I got from Buy.com and it fits without getting stuck. Are you suggesting there is a problem with SanDisk cards?
Is the card you got from Newegg also a SanDisk? I have a Kingston 2GB card that I got from Buy.com and it fits without getting stuck. Are you suggesting there is a problem with SanDisk cards?
Yep, its a Kingston card that I am also using that doesn't get stuck.
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