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Old 07-04-2007, 09:40 PM
     
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verizon is the best place to get a LEGIT card right now. id go to a LOCAL B and M store so you can see it first hand instead of seeing a generic photo online that may or may not be what you end up getting in the mail. you will pay more but you are getting it NOW as opposed to crossing your fingers and having a wait and see approach...
 
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Old 07-04-2007, 10:25 PM
     
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I made darn good and sure mine had the "Circle 2" Class 2 logo. It looked the same as the photo in its [Verizon-branded] packaging. Pretty hard to go wrong there.

BTW I haven't done any benchmarking but media seems to sync about twice as fast with the 4GB microSD vs. the 512MB that came with the Mogul.

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i did benchmarkings with pocket mechanic. i posted a thread on this also.. not sure if you ever saw that thread?
 
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Old 07-04-2007, 11:31 PM
     
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Looks like Verizon for me. My local Fry's electronics does not carry them. I assume Circuit City and Best Buy don't carry either. I did not like what the vendors looked like on Amazon or eBay. Reading the fine print, they are not returnable at Amazon.
 
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I recall but didn't pay attention as I wasn't planning on getting a 4GB card at that time. Can you summarize?

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Circuit City may have them; they're Verizon dealers.

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Not saying its fake or not fake, but have anyone taken a look at this?

SanDisk | Corporate | Press Room | Press Releases
 
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Maybe the counterfeiters copied the press release image and SanDisk added the Class 2 logo later? I wouldn't touch one without that logo!

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Possible which is why i stated not saying if its fake or not. I'm just saying can't make judgement base on image alone.

Although with San Disk RMA saying its fake, i'm inclined to believe them.

I just installed pocket mechanic and the card information section report Mfg ID = 30 and Manufacturer = SanDisk, what does the Verizon card read?


For clarification the card does have a class 2 logo, just in a different spot and different ink(lower left and in the ink of the serial number). Right now this thread seem to say the white class 2 logo on the UR one are the legit. I'm not sure if the serial number is ink or etching... I will take a closer look tomorrow at work with a microscope

Can we run a performance Benchmark comparison on a VZW card (legit?) vs a Nextweb card. Fake card tend to have low performance after all.

One thing though, these cards to seem to be true 4gb SDHC, and there's not many manufacturer capable of producing 4gb micro SDHC card. In fact I think only Kingmax and Sandisk have sent out PR. so unless if someone manage to mesh 2x 2GB card together for the 4gb capacity...?

just tossing out theory and ideas

*update running a benchmark on my nextweb card now to compare against the result in this link
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/ppc-6...enchmarks.html*

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Does anyone know when the 8GB MicroSDHC cards will be available? I see SanDisk announced them in June so hope we will start seeing them soon.

I also noted that the spec for the MicroSDHC cards allow for capacity up to 32GB - that will be worth saving up for when (if) it eventually arrives
 
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for an update, my nextweb card unbuffered read is 10.75 and my buffered read is about 27.65mb, unbuffered write is 930.10kb buffered write is 2.97mb

this is with the file cahce (4096) tweak enable.

since I don't have a VZW card to test, not exactly direct comparison, but from the #s they seem to be comparable (in fact the nextweb seem to beat the VZW in the read test by quite a bit, but again, not direct comparison.)
 
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Does anyone know when the 8GB MicroSDHC cards will be available? I see SanDisk announced them in June so hope we will start seeing them soon.

I also noted that the spec for the MicroSDHC cards allow for capacity up to 32GB - that will be worth saving up for when (if) it eventually arrives
Parity with the iPhone at 8gb, we can thumb our nose at them at 32gb
 
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One thing though, these cards to seem to be true 4gb SDHC, and there's not many manufacturer capable of producing 4gb micro SDHC card. In fact I think only Kingmax and Sandisk have sent out PR. so unless if someone manage to mesh 2x 2GB card together for the 4gb capacity...?

just tossing out theory and ideas
Fake cards are usually of lower capacity, with an altered FAT to make it seem like it is of higher capacity. This is why they also fail - once you attempt to write outside of what the card can actually do, you experience dataloss.
 
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I know... most fake card tend to be smaller card relabeled and with hacked fat to make it look like a bigger card

but well so far I've 2gb + on the card and it still seem to read/write fine

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but well so far I've 2gb + on the card and it still seem to read/write fine
Valid point, and I've been wondering that myself. Maybe the fake market is so advanced that SanDisk can't tell anymore if its own cards are legit? I am getting more confused about this, but I'm just glad I sent it in to SanDisk, hopefully I'll get a nice shiny new card out of the deal.
 
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if china has the technology to make the cards for sandisk, they could probably find a way to pirate it

that - or -

might be that zany disco master - kim jong il
 
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I wonder why Nextweb stopped posting...
 
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i have the next web card. i filled it with a few movies so there was almsot no space left. they all play fine throughout the whole ntire movie list. they all work so the card is an actual 4gb card.

Now heres food for thought. the ink on the nextweb card that people are claiming is fake, compare it to the 512mb card that came with your phone. i dont klnow about yours but mine are the same, both faded.
 
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I pushed min up close to the limit twice before erasing the files. I have no idea about all the technical tests you guys run, nor do i understand them but the files work fine on my card. I've read through this thread as I just received my card yesterday and went from disappointed, to happy, to confused.

I will state that I have a N95 (no idea if it should make any diff compared to what you guys may be using) but i found transfering files from my 2gb to my comp, then to the 4gb card took over 4 hours (via usb)

right now the card works, and i'm not sure why it does if sandisk is saying it's a fake. I'm not technical in any way, but if it was a case of say a 2gb card being made to look bigger by changing the FAT structure, it shouldnt have gotten over 3gb on it should it?

p.s. I know it's my first post so i'd just like to say I'm affiliated with nextweb in any way, except for the fact my card came from them
 
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Gents, the fact that the card is working with one adding files close to the max cap of the card still means nothing. no one is saying officially that the fake cards have to be just 2gb reformatted cards.. they can be higher capacity cards under the hood but the integrity of the chip and tech involved may not be of the quality sandisk uses
. please do not confuse these 'early' tests with confirmations that the chip will work normally further down the road. history has shown that fake cards WILL and DO fail.. they don't necessarily fail out of the box and fail once you start to use the card regularly to stream from (i.e. playing a movie, back to back songs being played, etc). its akin to an overclocked phone. the phone is working faster but the environment is highly unstable and one wrong move can cause a crash involving a soft reset or worse.

so again i would recommend spending my hard earned money on a genuine product thats going to work rather than a card thats been officially stated from the company that its a fake. simple peace of mind. nip it in the bud now when you have the backing rather than to wait until its too late. if netxweb is willing to offer you a new card OR refund then i would jump on it before they deny it later...

..and nextweb maybe on vacatrion which is why they have not yet posted... i have no doubt they will be back here posting...
 
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