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Old 03-24-2008, 08:08 PM
     
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Thumbs up Sprint Navigation (TeleNav) Vs. Garmin Street Pilot.

Sprint upgraded the ROM for its most expensive PDA phone, the Mogul, to make it the only phone to make use of Sprint’s higher speed EVDO Rev A network capacity. Along with this upgrade, Sprint also added GPS support. GPS or Global Positioning System is a feature that allows the Mogul to receive signals from geostationary orbiting satellites to triangulate its position on the globe. Combined with advanced mapping software, the allows a user to find themselves on a map, find the location of an address, business, park, or pretty much anything the user can think of. It can even give turn by turn voice directions to aid in navigation, with the appropriate software.
In adding GPS support, Sprint also included a program on the Mogul called TeleNav, which Sprint has labeled Sprint Navigation. This program comes bundled in the ROM and is installed automatically when upgrading the ROM, although some Sprint Users opt to avoid the extra software installations to save RAM on the device. Having the software does not cost anything extra, but using it does require that you have either a specific data plan or a month-to-month added charge.
I spent a week testing TeleNav against a Garmin Street Pilot GPS receiver to compare and contrast the serviceability and functionality of the two systems. Some critics would make the claim that the Mogul’s GPS is not full-function and cannot hold a candle to a dedicated GPS system. The Garmin offers 2-d and 3-d mapping, turn-by-turn voice navigation, the ability to save locations to a favorites list, searching for businesses by address or business type and many other features. The Mogul with TeleNav offers the same thing. The Garmin does have a larger screen (standard PDA sized) with landscape orientation, which some people may prefer. Of course, you can change the orientation of the Mogul to Portrait or Landscape at your convenience.
The primary difference between the Mogul with TeleNav and the Garmn Street Pilot is storage of the maps. With the Garmin, you buy the maps with the device, then buy upgraded maps (around a hundred dollars) periodically (they recommend every year) to remain current. These maps are stored in the memory on the device and are quickly recalled. The only maps you can access are the ones you buy. The Street Pilot comes with North America and Canada, but for an additional purchase you can get Europe, the UK etc.
TeleNav stores the maps on a server and you download the maps on the fly. As you progress on your trip, TeleNav accesses the data connection to download the next part of the map. No maps are stored on the Mogul. This means you get whatever map you need as you need it. No additional purchase is necessary. Since the Garmin’s maps and data only update when the user buys an update, its maps may be out of date at any given time. TeleNavs data is constantly updated, thereby giving more accurate search results and directions, although both maps did not have the latest changes to I-10 in Houston. It also means you have to have a constant data connection while you use TeleNav. This uses battery life and can be quite expensive for users without an unlimited data plan.
The biggest drawback to online map access is that if you drive through an area when no Sprint Service is available, you lose your maps. If you drop the data connection, TeleNav will continue to show you the direction you are going, but without a map underneath to show you where you are. This is quite disconcerting. Of course, when you resume data service, the maps reappear.
Like the Garmin, while using TeleNav, the Mogul never shuts off the screen. This draws a lot of power. From fully charged, the Mogul drained around 45-50 percent in 40 minutes of Navigation using both the radio for data connection and the screen. The Garmin was able to navigate for about a day on a full charge.
If you want to use the Mogul for Geocaching, a long hike may drain the battery if you keep it on the entire time. There are separate topographical programs available for windows mobile as well. Neither TeleNav nor the Street Pilot have topographical data.
The Garmin has the ability to alter its screen background for night and day driving. A bright screen can be a distraction during night driving and this is a safety concern. TeleNav does not do this. Its background does not change, nor can you change the colors of the streets on the map.
The Mogul and the Garmin have the ability to look for restaurants and stores along a route, but thanks to the data connection, TeleNav has the most updated info. Also, TeleNav has the ability to locate the cheapest gas either around your current location, or a different location, say like your destination.
Garmin preferences allow the user to change the sound of the voice navigation to several different voices and accents. Garmin’s voice nav is computer generated, but doesn’t sound as bad as the WOPR on the movie “Wargames.” TeleNav’s voice is more pleasant to the ear, but that is a matter of taste. TeleNav also talks a lot more than Garmin, which my wife and my mother both found annoying, though it didn’t bother me.
As I drove along highway 59, TeleNav’s data showed the road changing several times, though in reality it didn’t. But what happened was that each city gave the highway a different name, and TeleNav considered each name a different road, so everytime the name changed, it considered it a waypoint.
The Street Pilot costs around $500 dollars which gets you the receiver and either the North America or the Europe maps. Map updates cost money, I think it’s like 100 bucks, but don’t quote me on that.
TeleNav is included on your Mogul ROM update at no additional charge. It comes with a 48-hour trial period. After the trial period, it will offer two options: $2.99 daily use charge, which gives you exactly 24 hours to use it. It bills even if you only use it for 30 minutes during that 24-hour period. The other option is $9.99 monthly charge which gives you one month to use it. Again, it bills even if you only use it once. But there is a third option that many don’t realize. Sprint’s power vision data plans offer unlimited Navigation included in the plan package price, if you have a $20 or higher Power Vision plan. This works out to about 60 bucks a year for up-to-the minute traffic, maps, and waypoints. This is cheaper than getting Garmin updates every year.
Overall, TeleNav wins more points in my book than the Garmin, though there is room for improvement. If TeleNav would add the ability to change the navigation screen for night driving, and set user preferences for map colors it would be a boon. Also, it would be a nice addition if the programmers put a speed display on the Nav screen. But my biggest recommendation would be that they have the Mogul download and buffer the entire map for a set trip.
I give high marks to TeleNav on the Mogul. It is every bit as powerful a GPS system as the Street Pilot.

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Excellent write up!

This past weekend I traveled to a Verizon 1X area and the roaming triangle was present. I was still connecting to data and getting directions.
 
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Excellent write up!

This past weekend I traveled to a Verizon 1X area and the roaming triangle was present. I was still connecting to data and getting directions.
1X will still work...it is in places where there are complete dead spots where you will find yourself without a map. Rural users will see more of this than others.

Dahand - Great review! I haven't tried the Telenav simply because I went and bought a Garmin 10 with XT software (back when internal GPS was just a rumor!)

Garmin also has a PPC version of the software that can be installed into any 2+GB SD card.

I would add that while the software is virtually identical, the hardware of the dedicated Garmin units varies. The PPC version actually has every garmin feature your phone can support. In the standalone units what you get will also be limited to the device's actual capability. Some have the ability to download maps, Some can get traffic data, In the UK you can even subscribe to the safety camera database that will update and warn you when you get near them. (This is also possible in the US but there is currently no data to subscribe to you have to enter them as custom POIs) I also like the fact that I can add locations to my contact list! Great for adding POIs that are not on the maps.

One of the key features that had me select the Garmin over the Tom Tom was the recognition of addresses with multiple road names (you mentioned them in your directions segment) I happen to live on a road with two names..A county road and a state highway. In Tom Tom it would only find the county road when trying to set my home location. With the Garmin I could use either designation.

When Driving the Garmin does something I have found useful. IF there are two turns one right on top of the other it will tell you at .X miles turn right and then turn right. Kind of nice to know that there will be two Quick turns in rapid succession like that. The only thing you can knock the navigation system for is not reading out street names. This forces you to look at the screen to know the name of the street your supposed to turn on. It will tell you to turn at the correct location but it will not say the name.

If you do not have an unlimited data plan I would caution anyone from using GPS software that Downloads maps. Better to pay once. If you do a lot of navigating you will run up your data charges much more than the cost of a map. Sure they may be updated more frequently but you will pay to get those maps (in data charges) even if they have not updated! I have an 8GB card in my phone and I can store the entire North America and Canada Maps. Garmin will allow you to overlay multiple maps if you want. You can install Topographic and recreational lake maps onto the unit as well and you will still see all the POI and street map data only with topographic info as well. You do get free map updates for a year after you purchase.

Garmin does download data as well. But it is strictly to download traffic data. If there is a major traffic tie up the Garmin will tell you and allow you to reroute quickly. Of course the issue is that traffic problems take a long time (even on your local radio) to get reported and identified. Usually you only find out there is a traffic problem when your stuck in it. Still though it is good to have especially when there is reported scheduled construction you might want to avoid.

Installing Garmin onto the SD card will also allow you to use it on any GPS enabled PPC you put the card in. Nice for when you switch phones from one PDA to another.

I can't really do a good comparison between the Garmin and the telenav (since I don't have telenav) but I did want to add to your great review some features that Garmin has that you didn't mention.
 
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Garmin also has a PPC version of the software that can be installed into any 2+GB SD card.

Installing Garmin onto the SD card will also allow you to use it on any GPS enabled PPC you put the card in. Nice for when you switch phones from one PDA to another.
Well, I was all set to buy Garmin XT, but the website specifies that it is locked to the SD card it ships with and it cannot be installed onto any other card. I contacted Garmin support and they confirmed that it has to run from the card they send.
That you are able to install it to another card is interesting. If I could have, I would have done that. Like I said in my review, Telenav's big fault is that when you lose data, you lose map.
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Garmin sells nroute and city navigator which also include the XT program on it.
Get the version for your desktop computer and you will also get XT that you can install on your WM device. all the Garmin navigation software you buy for a computer will come with XT as well.

The SD card is XT alone and the reason they restrict it to thier card is because there is no way to unlock maps since you are not installing it to a computer.

If you get the software that works on a computer you can trasfer maps from the computer to the device on any card you want.

Here is a link
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=139&pID=13484

You can get one without a receiver and it will also allow you to install XT on your device.
Check the in the box tab for details
 
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This looks like a rather expensive add on, unless it is free with the usual data plan. Is this extra cost... looked ominus when I first started it, so I shut it down.
 
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Well, you can use Google Maps for Mobile, or Bing. Both are pretty decent and are completely free...

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