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Old 07-19-2007, 06:23 PM
     
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Fast long instant messages

I have a vx6700 and I’d like to be able to receive (no need to send) long messages VERY quickly. Is there any inexpensive hack, software or service that would allow me to do this? I have no control over my sender's environment and the sender has to be able to send the message to an address in email format like xxxxx@yyyy.com through a normal email system that they have. The messages will be between 1000 - 3000 characters long.

I need to get these messages as fast as I would get a sms message. But sms messages have a 160 char. limit. When I try to send a sms message to my phone via email (using myphonenumber@vtext.com) , I just receive the 1st 160 characters -- the rest is lost completely. I don't even receive multiple text messages containing the rest of the email. I have read in this forum that some people do receive several sms messages containing the rest. Is this a problem with my individual phone? If so, how do fix that?

Anyway, I tried sending test messages to myphonenumber@vcwpix.com (MMS?) but delivery and viewing (downloading) takes way too long. I’d try any solution even if it cost up to $100 as long as it delivered the the speed of delivery of SMS with the length I need. If the message has to go to a third party first and then get relayed to me, I think this would slow delivery down, so, I'm not sure I'd like that idea. I'd like to avoid monthly cost if possible.

If sms is method of delivery, I would need to know how the solution would impact the 250 message limit I have on text messages.
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Old 07-19-2007, 06:38 PM
     
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Thumbs up PushMail 0.2b and Built-in E-mail client

There is a guy who wrote this little software called PushMail, version 0.2b.
You can find some info searching here but the link to his page is:

Arnaud Porterie - Project PushMail

Every time you receive a SMS it will force your built-in email client (pocket outlook) to connect to the internet and download new mail. If you had a Gmail account then you would be set. Setup as follows:

1) Enable your Gmail account for POP access
2) Forward any email coming to Gmail to "yournumber"@"sprint/verizon".com so that any new email causes an SMS to be sent to you.
3) Set up Pocket outlook so that it gets email from Gmail into your inbox.

And now, in action:

1) Sender emails you at xxx@gmail.com
2) gmail forwards to you via SMS (160 chars)
3) PushMail intercept SMS and before you even see it, it will delete it.
4) PushMail will force pocket outlook do download the message and a small message will pop up on your phone telling you that you have new email (showing sender and part of the content). You click "yes" and it will take you to the message (however long that is!).


You have 1 option to make this faster but this means that the sender has to do something for you, namely, send the email to BOTH your Gmail and SMS, so by the time the new email is in Gmail, your SMS notification will be just about to bug your cellphone asking it to download that email.


Timing:

From when the SMS hits the cellphone, to when pocket outlook Downloads the message, we are looking at 10 seconds top. If you can live with that, then you are set.

NOTE: Data...
you will need a data plan to download emails of course.

NOTE: Gmail...
when you set up your user name in pocket outlook, use "recent: xxx@gmail.com", not just "xxx@gmail.com". That way you will have no issues getting email off of Gmail to your device.

hope it helps.

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Old 07-19-2007, 08:05 PM
     
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Thanks for the quick and thorough response! Couple of questions --

When I send an email to myphone#@vtext.com, I get the message in 2-3 seconds. Do you use this solution yourself? Can you time how fast the time you send a message to gmail to the time you're seeing it on your phone and let me know? Every second counts in this case. Unfortunately, the sender can only send the message to one email address, so I can't speed it up that way. If the phone is always "on-line" would it retrieve the message faster?

Is there an option to have the message automatically appear on the screen as soon as it is available?

Is there an option to let sms go through to alert me to the incoming email?

What do you mean by "use "recentxx@gmail.com", not just "xxx@gmail.com"."?

Do you know if I could use yahoo instead of gmail for this?

Just curious...do you know if a Blackberry deliver this message to me faster? I would hate to switch, but this use it critical to me.
Thanks again,
 
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Old 07-19-2007, 11:08 PM
     
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There is a guy who wrote this little software called PushMail, version 0.2b.
You can find some info searching here but the link to his page is:

Arnaud Porterie - Project PushMail

Every time you receive a SMS it will force your built-in email client (pocket outlook) to connect to the internet and download new mail. If you had a Gmail account then you would be set. Setup as follows:

1) Enable your Gmail account for POP access
2) Forward any email coming to Gmail to "yournumber"@"sprint/verizon".com so that any new email causes an SMS to be sent to you.
3) Set up Pocket outlook so that it gets email from Gmail into your inbox.

And now, in action:

1) Sender emails you at xxx@gmail.com
2) gmail forwards to you via SMS (160 chars)
3) PushMail intercept SMS and before you even see it, it will delete it.
4) PushMail will force pocket outlook do download the message and a small message will pop up on your phone telling you that you have new email (showing sender and part of the content). You click "yes" and it will take you to the message (however long that is!).


You have 1 option to make this faster but this means that the sender has to do something for you, namely, send the email to BOTH your Gmail and SMS, so by the time the new email is in Gmail, your SMS notification will be just about to bug your cellphone asking it to download that email.


Timing:

From when the SMS hits the cellphone, to when pocket outlook downloads the message, we are looking at 10 seconds top. If you can live with that, then you are set.

NOTE: Data...
you will need a data plan to download emails of course.

NOTE: Gmail...
when you set up your user name in pocket outlook, use "recentxx@gmail.com", not just "xxx@gmail.com". That way you will have no issues getting email off of Gmail to your device.

hope it helps.
i have a question i hope you can help me out. So when you recieve any sms from would that application send/recieve? or it looks for a certain sender than it sends/recieves? and i have a problem in pocket outlook i cant see any of my gmail emails in my inbox. i see when it says recieving headers but nothing shows up...do u know how to fix this?
 
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i have a question i hope you can help me out. So when you recieve any sms from would that application send/recieve? or it looks for a certain sender than it sends/recieves? and i have a problem in pocket outlook i cant see any of my gmail emails in my inbox. i see when it says recieving headers but nothing shows up...do u know how to fix this?
i fixed my gmail problem. man i see this app requires framework in order to be used...and i really like this app but framework requires too much memory is there any options?
 
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Old 07-19-2007, 11:24 PM
     
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Thanks for the quick and thorough response! Couple of questions --

When I send an email to myphone#@vtext.com, I get the message in 2-3 seconds. Do you use this solution yourself? Can you time how fast the time you send a message to gmail to the time you're seeing it on your phone and let me know? Every second counts in this case. Unfortunately, the sender can only send the message to one email address, so I can't speed it up that way. If the phone is always "on-line" would it retrieve the message faster?

Is there an option to have the message automatically appear on the screen as soon as it is available?

Is there an option to let sms go through to alert me to the incoming email?

What do you mean by "use "recentxx@gmail.com", not just "xxx@gmail.com"."?

Do you know if I could use yahoo instead of gmail for this?

Just curious...do you know if a Blackberry deliver this message to me faster? I would hate to switch, but this use it critical to me.
Thanks again,

* Sending an email straight to my sprint phone takes 4-5 seconds but sometimes 15! The performance is not consistent. If it's goes through Gmail and then to my cell, it doesn't add more than a second (I can check the time it takes from my 1st account to Gmail and it's a second or so).

* You should leave the connection always on but dormant so downloading the email is faster.

* Keeping a copy of the SMS is not useful as pocket outlook will notify of new mail anyways.

* Pocket outlook will pop up showing you sender and subject and clicking "yes" should take you straight to the email. Such notification can be enabled in Sound and Notification from the Settings of your device.

* The "recent:" is a prefix that will force gmail to make available all emails in the past 30 days regardless of whether you have already downloaded them on a different computer via POP. If you only use one device to POP from Gmail, you won't need it most likely.

* I am not familiar with Blackberries but my understanding is that it will take them pretty much the same time as Exchange with Direct Push, which I believe is a little longer than you could achieve with this system. However, this is just my feeling, I haven't timed either solution.

* I believe you would need the Paid version of Yahoo to enable POP access.

Alternative:
You could also sign up for exchange and direct push. Once email arrives they push it down to your email client which then alerts you. It doesn't not use SMS but as far as I understand it, it won't be faster because the server is providing the service to many and won't prioritize your message.

If you can get an email client that can continuously pull messages from Gmail inbox every 3-4 seconds, then you'd be faster (once message arrives in Gmail, you know about it in 3-4 seconds, rather than waiting for the SMS). On the other hand it will drain your battery in an hour or so, I suppose.

The fastest thing I can think of, if you hire a developer, is to code up a client on your device and a server on your home machine. As soon as an email comes to your home machine, the server there will send the content down to the client. Clearly it requires quite a bit of thought and a developer to code it up.

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i fixed my gmail problem. man i see this app requires framework in order to be used...and i really like this app but framework requires too much memory is there any options?
The developer mentioned something about making it work with CF1 (I believe it's smaller than CF2) or something but I think the application is pretty much abandoned. I have CF2 to run other applications and I am ok with the space it takes. I use one of the modified roms (Colonel 3.5) which comes with a lot of stuff in it, including the CF2, and still plenty of space.

How did you solve the Gmail problem? using "recent:"?
 
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i have a question i hope you can help me out. So when you recieve any sms from would that application send/recieve? or it looks for a certain sender than it sends/recieves? and i have a problem in pocket outlook i cant see any of my gmail emails in my inbox. i see when it says recieving headers but nothing shows up...do u know how to fix this?
You can give it a pattern that it looks for, so it will leave most SMS alone and only catch those that have the pattern.
 
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The developer mentioned something about making it work with CF1 (I believe it's smaller than CF2) or something but I think the application is pretty much abandoned. I have CF2 to run other applications and I am ok with the space it takes. I use one of the modified roms (Colonel 3.5) which comes with a lot of stuff in it, including the CF2, and still plenty of space.

How did you solve the Gmail problem? using "recent:"?
ok thanx for your help. sorry, i meant not the gmail problem using recent. i had a problem with my inbox nor showing up on my ppc. the thing is this app looks cool its just that i only have like 5mb of space left lol and Microsoft framework takes up some space lol.
 
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ok thanx for your help. sorry, i meant not the gmail problem using recent. i had a problem with my inbox nor showing up on my ppc. the thing is this app looks cool its just that i only have like 5mb of space left lol and Microsoft framework takes up some space lol.
There is a commercial app like the one posted above that does the same thing -- uses an SMS to trigger a Send/Receive from your inbox. It's called Push Effect by QoreFunctions. I'm not sure how much it costs.

QoreFunctions - Nifty little apps that make life a little easier

There is also another company offering a free push mail solution for people who don't have an exchange server (i.e. Yahoo Mail or Gmail). It's called Consilient. When you enter your mail info, download the software and install it, it creates an account called Push in Pocket Outlook and e-mails sent to whatever account you set it up with (I tried with Yahoo) will be received immediately. The only catch that I can see so far is that e-mails you send out will have a small text ad tagged at the end. I assume battery life will also take a hit since it's real push mail.

Free Mobile Push Email - Consilient Push

Anyway, those are two options that are somewhat similar to what was discussed earlier. There are also options for true push if you're using an exchange server or Emoze if you don't mind leaving your computer on.
 
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There is a commercial app like the one posted above that does the same thing -- uses an SMS to trigger a Send/Receive from your inbox. It's called Push Effect by QoreFunctions. I'm not sure how much it costs.

QoreFunctions - Nifty little apps that make life a little easier

There is also another company offering a free push mail solution for people who don't have an exchange server (i.e. Yahoo Mail or Gmail). It's called Consilient. When you enter your mail info, download the software and install it, it creates an account called Push in Pocket Outlook and e-mails sent to whatever account you set it up with (I tried with Yahoo) will be received immediately. The only catch that I can see so far is that e-mails you send out will have a small text ad tagged at the end. I assume battery life will also take a hit since it's real push mail.

Free Mobile Push Email - Consilient Push

Anyway, those are two options that are somewhat similar to what was discussed earlier. There are also options for true push if you're using an exchange server or Emoze if you don't mind leaving your computer on.
Does it send a text or something for when u receive an email in your inbox before d/l??
 
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Does it send a text or something for when u receive an email in your inbox before d/l??
Push Effect uses an SMS trigger so it will send you an text for each message you get. The program allows you to filter your text messages so it knows what the trigger is, and then it basically erases the trigger message and causes Pocket Outlook to do a send/receive.

I'm not sure how Consilient works. It sends a text message when you sign up to determine that your device is valid. I think it sets up a proprietary exchange connection that uses the data connection. So whenever you get a new message in the inbox, Consilient's server pushes it to your device without using any text messages. I assume that battery life will suffer as with any other true push solution.
 
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