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I'm at a loss...

I just received a replacement 6700 because my joystick button was stuck down. Well I re-installed everything including the A2DP hack and is stutters and skips non-stop now. My old 6700 worked flawlessly.

I have noticed that if I hold new 6700 right in front of my face the stuttering stops for awhile but that's not cool. I have tried everything I can think of with multiple hard resets.

installing the A2DP hack first then installing all my software.
installing all my software then the Hack.

With and without all the cache increase reg hacks.

Any idea why one phone would work and the other wouldn't? I'm going to have to agree that this is a hit or miss with which ever phone you got stuck with. Not sure why that is, but in my case it's true.
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Does anyone think that maybe the stutter problem is because the unit has a poor BT radio? Not a problem with the Hack or the headphones.

I have Iphono mini BT450RX's headphones and get some stuttering. The stuttering usually occurs after starting to play music and then on some songs that are at higher bit rates. I also have stuttering when I have a body part or anything between the phone and the headset.

Is there anyway to rate/test the BT radio for my unit?
 
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As I understand, and please correct me if I am missing something, these cab and reg files apparently allow stereo bluetooth headsets to work in a device that was mono only.

I would like to know if these mods have any impact on the BT DUN data xfer rates. The max rates I can get are about 315 kbps EV-DO using BT v1.2 as compared to 800 kbps via USB with strong signals. Do the mods alter that in any way? I suspect not, but I want to ask to make sure.
 
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As I understand, and please correct me if I am missing something, these cab and reg files apparently allow stereo bluetooth headsets to work in a device that was mono only.
Only the 6700s. Read the OP. The Stereo headsets will still work without it, but the audio will be mono. But, as a note, use the BIGGER file. you need the registration files to get the full audio.

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I would like to know if these mods have any impact on the BT DUN data xfer rates. The max rates I can get are about 315 kbps EV-DO using BT v1.2 as compared to 800 kbps via USB with strong signals. Do the mods alter that in any way? I suspect not, but I want to ask to make sure.
That's the registry-set limit. It doesn't have diddly to do with, or is changed by, the audio patch. Search for 'BT DUN' to find out that information.
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a new 6700 is shipping...

I just called Verizon to get yet another replacement phone, becuase of the problem I was having with bluetooth. I could only get about 2 feet (yes 2 feet) away before my headset would cut out just as a normal headset.

Of course I had to go through all the troubleshooting BS like alway before they would send me one. I'm crossing my fingers this will fix my A2DP stuttering issues. If not well I'll call them and keep getting new phones until they send me a working one.

I'll post an update once i get the new phone.
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Ok, Conduit has released a new plugin for Pocket Player. It's called gen_wmhost.zip plugin and can be downloaded from their site. This plugin allows you to use AVCRP in Pocket Player. And belive it or not, it works. I have a XV6700 with Iphono's Mini 450's. All functions in AVCRP work. With tweaking in the player settings, I have all but elminitated the normal stuttering. This plugin also allows you to use Voice Command to control Pocket Player. Sweet!

Only one problem though. When I initiate VC to make a phone call, the first call works fine. The player starts playing immediately after the phone call has ended. However, when I attempt to make a second call, VC starts, receives and initiates the call, but the audio gateway closes and I never get any audio from the call. Then when Pocket Player starts back up, it goes wild, and the stuttering returns, considerably worse.

Pocket player users, try this plugin and let me know if you have the same issues.
 
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AWW! Beat me to the punch! I just got the plugin on my phone, and it does work very well. The page to get it is here:

http://www.conduits.com/products/pla...gen_wmhost.zip

Look for "Conduits WMP Plugin Adapter" and just unzip and place the dll in My Device\Program Files\Conduits\Pocket Player. Restart Pocket Player, and it should work. There are some settings you can customize in Options>Plugins.

I'll have to see what happens next time I get a call, but it's looking good so far. Nice to have a good alternative to WMP with headphone controls. Still no track data though on my Sony Ericsson...dont' know if this is supported thru A2DP/AVRCP or if Sony ditched that feature at the last minute...

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Well I just got my iTech R35 today and the samething is happening with it like my Bluesonic clip. One second of sound, then nothing. I even tried it with pocket player. At least it works with MSI BluePlayer, I just need to a place to buy the PPC version.

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Stuttering vs. Signal Quality

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I just called Verizon to get yet another replacement phone, becuase of the problem I was having with bluetooth. I could only get about 2 feet (yes 2 feet) away before my headset would cut out just as a normal headset.

Of course I had to go through all the troubleshooting BS like alway before they would send me one. I'm crossing my fingers this will fix my A2DP stuttering issues. If not well I'll call them and keep getting new phones until they send me a working one.

I'll post an update once i get the new phone.
xts, I'm really interested in hearing about how replacing your phone comes out. I think the concensus on the board is that it's a lottery. Some phones work great, and some just won't. My xv6700 and Jabra BT620s worked for a while after a hard-reset, but gave up clean A2DP after I'd installed most of my normal programs.

It didn't work that well anyway. With my phone clipped to my left side the signal would cut in & out. I could get a even signal when I held the phone out in front of me. Which kind of negates the benefit of "handsfree." Not to mention having to go in to the bluetooth settings every time to tap & hold & choose "Set as Wireless Stereo" even if all that had happened was a phone call or going into standby mode.

I'd like to make sure we are all on the same page by reminding everyone that we need to be clear in our terminology. I suggest we only use the term "stuttering" to describe the problem where the music does not play smoothly, but jumps backward in time (you can see the time elapsed/remaining jumping backward in the media player).

I believe there is also an issue with strength or reliability of the xv6700's bluetooth radio, since it seems to have trouble pushing signal three feet to a headset, even in normal headset/handsfree mode. Now it's true that a2dp, by design, is taxing the bandwidth of Bluetooth 1.2, leaving little available for resending packets (I am assuming BT works with a packet-based architecture similar to TCP/IP, but feel free to correct me if this is not the case). However, this problem is distinguished from stuttering in that the timer smoothly progresses, and the music picks up where it would be once the connection is reestablished.

So can we all agree there are two different issues people may have, and agree to the following vocabulary: "Stuttering" = Player Skipping and "Signal" = sound cuts out but music doesn't pause or backtrack? It would make debugging this thing much easier.

By the way, I'm looking in to installing a replacement bluetooth stack to clear up my stuttering issues.
 
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What version of MSI were you using?

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At least it works with MSI BluePlayer, I just need to a place to buy the PPC version.
Were you using a different phone or something? I don't understand how you can say it works and in the same sentence say you need to get the software.


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Does anyone think that maybe the stutter problem is because the unit has a poor BT radio? Not a problem with the Hack or the headphones.

I have Iphono mini BT450RX's headphones and get some stuttering. The stuttering usually occurs after starting to play music and then on some songs that are at higher bit rates. I also have stuttering when I have a body part or anything between the phone and the headset.

Is there anyway to rate/test the BT radio for my unit?
See my post above re stuttering vs. signal (both problems, but different problems). Just to clarify, does the time run up smoothly, but the sound cuts in & out (signal issue), or does the music jump back a second or two every once in a while (stuttering)?
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xts, I'm really interested in hearing about how replacing your phone comes out.
jaz I should be getting my new new phone this morning in a couple hours when Fed-ex gets here. It's going to take a little time to set everything up. Switch the back modded speakerphone panel (and try to leave the void sticker in good condition) and update to the new ROM. After everything is said and done I'll test and post a reply with my findings here.
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My xv6700 and Jabra BT620s worked for a while after a hard-reset, but gave up clean A2DP after I'd installed most of my normal programs.

It didn't work that well anyway. With my phone clipped to my left side the signal would cut in & out. I could get a even signal when I held the phone out in front of me. Which kind of negates the benefit of "handsfree."
Here's the problem with bluetooth--low signal strength=short range. Put a solid object (your body) in between the transmitter and receiver, and you increase the problem. Notice how most people clip the phone to their left hip, then stick a headset in their right ear. It's a miracle there's any communication at all!

This is one good thing about the Sony Ericsson HBH-DS970--the transmitter is out in front of me (on top of my belly ) and being lower it's also much closer to the phone on my hip, so I rarely have this problem.

jazmatician, I would try hard resetting and reinstalling the A2DP stuff after you reinstall all your apps. I didn't add A2DP until I was fully back up and running. It's possible that one of your installed apps is overwriting something that is needed--or maybe you are running too much stuff, which is stealing cycles from the streaming codec.

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Not to mention having to go in to the bluetooth settings every time to tap & hold & choose "Set as Wireless Stereo" even if all that had happened was a phone call or going into standby mode.
I've found that you can usually just hold down the IE button to go into Comm Manager, and toggle BT off and back on to re-establish the stereo connection. No need to go back into settings, tap and hold and all that stuff. Still a pain but at least it can be done one handed.

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Were you using a different phone or something? I don't understand how you can say it works and in the same sentence say you need to get the software.


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For some reason it works fine with MSI's Blue Player software/app, but their is a 30 second limit with it. But using the Tornado cabs & files I get the one second of sound the nothing using WMP & Pocket Player. I will be playing around with my 6700 tonight. Hopefully by some miracle I can get this working.
 
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I've found that you can usually just hold down the IE button to go into Comm Manager, and toggle BT off and back on to re-establish the stereo connection. No need to go back into settings, tap and hold and all that stuff. Still a pain but at least it can be done one handed.
Now that's useful info. I'll try it tonight, thanks a lot!
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New Phone!

I got my new replacement phone yesterday and finally finished setting everything up. I'm happy to report that the A2DP hack is working fantastic again. I only get the 10 second intial break up of sound then everything plays perfect after that.

For those people who are having issues longer then 10-15 seconds or no sound at all I would call up Verizon or Sprint and tell them your bluetooth isn't working correctly. Don't mention the A2DP hack just tell them your headset starts losing it's connection. After some stupid troubleshooting BS they should replace your phone. I got lucky with this one and hopefully you will too.
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I agree with your terminology

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See my post above re stuttering vs. signal (both problems, but different problems). Just to clarify, does the time run up smoothly, but the sound cuts in & out (signal issue), or does the music jump back a second or two every once in a while (stuttering)?

Okay the stuttering(music jump back a second) occurs when playing starts and with some high bit rate song.

Signal issues from phone location and body parts. Right pocket is better then left, probably because the mini 450 radio receiver is on the right side.

I found a registry hack info on XDADevaloper to give a higher priority to the A2DP. I did the hack and did a short test. It did reduce the inital stuttering, but I only did a short test. I'll give it a lengthy test this weekend. I also want to try MusicPlayer.

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I got my new replacement phone yesterday and finally finished setting everything up. I'm happy to report that the A2DP hack is working fantastic again. I only get the 10 second intial break up of sound then everything plays perfect after that.

For those people who are having issues longer then 10-15 seconds or no sound at all I would call up Verizon or Sprint and tell them your bluetooth isn't working correctly. Don't mention the A2DP hack just tell them your headset starts losing it's connection. After some stupid troubleshooting BS they should replace your phone. I got lucky with this one and hopefully you will too.
I will probably be doing this tomorrow. I think it has to do with a bad Bluetooth stack or chip in the 6700.

All evening I have been trying to get my R35 to work with no success. I also was able to get my hands on the full version of Blue Player and the sound would even drop with it from time to time. Even when I try to pair them as a headset I had connecting issues, and when they finally connected the sound is very scratchy with pops & drop outs. Trying my 6682 I had no problems pairing, connecting, using Blue Player with it. The sound was crystal clear doing the same tests with it as my 6700.

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I found a registry hack info on XDADevaloper to give a higher priority to the A2DP. I did the hack and did a short test. It did reduce the inital stuttering, but I only did a short test. I'll give it a lengthy test this weekend. I also want to try MusicPlayer.
Could you post the link or the registry settings you changed? I think others might like to try this.

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