I signed up for that plan because it's the fair and ethical thing to do. $25 for the first phone and $12.50 for our second phone is damn cheap for what we get.
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Originally posted by SwampNut I signed up for that plan because it's the fair and ethical thing to do. $25 for the first phone and $12.50 for our second phone is damn cheap for what we get.
But I understand that Sprint can't differentiate between phone and tethered usage on the 6700 - so aren't you going to be paying for any usage over 40MB even if it's all on the phone? - sheureka
I'm not sure what plan we're talking about. I'm paying $25/mo for unlimited data. That's the plan recommended by three different Sprint people when we told them exactly what we wanted to do. I didn't pay attention to the plan names (way too many marketing names for different things).
I understand some people are paying for a $15 plan and using it as a modem.
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Originally posted by SwampNut I'm not sure what plan we're talking about. I'm paying $25/mo for unlimited data. That's the plan recommended by three different Sprint people when we told them exactly what we wanted to do. I didn't pay attention to the plan names (way too many marketing names for different things).
I understand some people are paying for a $15 plan and using it as a modem.
I talked to several Sprint people most of whom did not have a clue about EVDO or Vision plans. I was told that $25 includes up to 40MB and then it's tenth of a penny per kilobyte after. Another person said it was penny per kilobyte after, so I asked him to count zeroes in price (0.001c/KB).
My understanding is that $25 plan converts to unlimited at $80, so you should be prepared to pay $80/month. Let us know when you get your bill.
Got the first one, no per-usage charges. And that was for our first few days when we heavily abused it.
Here's what the Sprint site says about that plan:
If you have a Sprint PCS VisionSM pack with unlimited Sprint PCS VisionSM, your usage of Sprint PCS VisionSM is unlimited and you will not be charged any data fees.
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Originally posted by SwampNut Got the first one, no per-usage charges. And that was for our first few days when we heavily abused it.
Here's what the Sprint site says about that plan:
If you have a Sprint PCS VisionSM pack with unlimited Sprint PCS VisionSM, your usage of Sprint PCS VisionSM is unlimited and you will not be charged any data fees.
The first month for Vision is supposed to be free, so if you were charged at all then you can give them a call and get credited.
They told me $15/month power vision is unlimited, $25/month is capped at 40MB (but it is assuming you are using phone as a modem). I don't use phone as a modem and 40MB sounds too low for normal email/web use. $25 a month "all you can eat", modem or not, would be a bit too good to be true.
i just got my bill for the last month and i have a $20 power vision plus plan...and i used to modem and streaming capabilities of my 6700 very extensively this month, especially with the power outage due to hurricane wilma...and i am happy to report that i was not charged a penny extra for "usage."
-jeff
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Good point. I didn't look to see if they charged us for that. We have so many items it's confusing, since we added three phones total each on separate days. I think there is a credit for the charges for Vision. I'd still expect to see per-KB itemization if there was any.
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Guys! Does anyone have a copy or cached copy of sprints website from back in October/ Early November? After the lastest post I went and checked their site and they have changed the definitions of several of their plans. THe phone as a modem option is new.
I carefully checked my plan earlier (Power Vision), but can't find a copy of what it was back in october. THis is the first time I've seen it on their website where they actually have a plan for a phone as a modem. 40MB is a joke. I can burn 40mb on my phone just in downloading files to it. Are they trying to get people to get a seperate connection card instead?
As of yet I haven't used my phone as a modem. I have several clients on Sprint whose contracts are comming up (I have them all setup with their own plans under their name, but manage the accounts for them). I was going renew and go with the PPC-6700 since they all have been teethering using rx1 for a couple of years. We have never had a problem or never billed (I'm sure their usage was close to 100mb or more). Does Verizon allow you to teether your phone?
If not then - gasp- I may have them go to another network that doesn't have EVDO but cheaper slow data prices. (You don't need EVDO for e-mail and basic stuff)
no, verizon does not allow you to tether your phone. as discussed in the sprint power vision thread, all you need is the $15/month power vision plan. that will let you surf on the 6700 and tether as much as you want (as long as you don't abuse the tethering option, then sprint may flag your account if you do). the $25 plan is for the newer ev-do handsets. well technically it should apply to the 6700 as well but Sprint has no way of telling if you are tethering on the 6700 (as opposed to the newer ev-do phones) so they cannot enforce the 40mb limit with the 6700 thus it only makes sense to get the standard unlimited data plan at $15/month.
OK, time for my 2˘. Sprint can and will force you to make a choice between unlimited power vision and pay as you go. Some people are saying they are fine on the old vision plans, some are saying they are being billed and it could be that in the future anyone using EVDO devices in an EVDO network and not on a power vision plan would be charged the default rate of 01˘ per KB until Dec then after Dec 02˘ per KB. Sprint at this time cannot see if you are tethered or not. Sprint in the future might develop a way to do this. Until then, you can tether if it doesn’t affect your conscience that your violating the conditions of service. All the 6700's should be on the $15 power vision plan (consumer primary) or $7.50 (consumer secondary for secondary phone on a family plan) as long as you are not tethering t o a separate device. Since the 6700 is not capable of using MMS as it stands right now and at this time cannot use the power vision radio or TV services the higher power vision plans are not appropriate. Per the Sprint terms and conditions found at the bottom of this web link : http://www1.sprintpcs.com/explore/ue...ss_Accessories
under the Other Sprint PCS Vision Terms. third sentence: Unlimited Vision plans/options may not be used with Sprint PCS phones or smart phones being used as a modem in connection with other equipment (e.g., computers, etc.) through use of connection kits or other phone-to-computer/PDA accessories, or Bluetooth or other wireless technology. We may terminate services without notice for any misuse.
Translation, you are breaching your conditions of service if you tether. If you are not tethering you can visit as many streaming media sites and TV sites and anything else you want on an all you can eat plan, but, if you tether then you need a phone as a modem plan that usually includes 40MB and then is 0XX˘ per KB.
My recommendation: Better safe than sorry, at least change to the $15/7.50 power vision plan. If your going to tether be prepared to be caught and don’t ask for a credit if your caught and they take you off your unlimited plan without telling you, think about it like this, you didn’t tell them you were tethering even though you know you should have, they wont make you back pay from when you started but will make you pay from the time you were caught going forward. FYI if you are caught they will flag your account so that you cannot have the $15/7.5 or any other low priced unlimited data plans (I have seen them do this when they were looking for 3G 1xRTT people tethering and caught them).
And above all else, remember!!! No matter what the stripper says, there’s no *3 letter word for nookie* in the champagne room.
Hey just wanted to appologize for saying previously that in sprints new contract they don't say anything about not using as a phone. I got a new PPC-6700 in today and realized (duh) that the service contract comes with the phone. I compaired the Sep 1st, 2005 contract with the June 20th, 2004 contract. Both said that the Vision plans don't include it's use as a modem. That you will be charged a per data fee. (I'm sure most t know this I was just correcting an earlier mis-statement. Although Their ads made no mention of the limitation until recently).
Just for the note I have the $15/and $7.5 for the other line plans and use streaming media and have no data fees. I haven't tethered any of our PPC-6700. Would be nice, but we want to be legit. Don't agree with sprints policy and think in the long run whatever carrier will offer it legit for a reasonable price will get more customers.
Originally posted by Falconier OK, time for my 2˘. Sprint can and will force you to make a choice between unlimited power vision and pay as you go. Some people are saying they are fine on the old vision plans, some are saying they are being billed and it could be that in the future anyone using EVDO devices in an EVDO network and not on a power vision plan would be charged the default rate of 01˘ per KB until Dec then after Dec 02˘ per KB. Sprint at this time cannot see if you are tethered or not. Sprint in the future might develop a way to do this. Until then, you can tether if it doesn’t affect your conscience that your violating the conditions of service. All the 6700's should be on the $15 power vision plan (consumer primary) or $7.50 (consumer secondary for secondary phone on a family plan) as long as you are not tethering t o a separate device. Since the 6700 is not capable of using MMS as it stands right now and at this time cannot use the power vision radio or TV services the higher power vision plans are not appropriate. Per the Sprint terms and conditions found at the bottom of this web link : http://www1.sprintpcs.com/explore/ue...ss_Accessories
under the Other Sprint PCS Vision Terms. third sentence: Unlimited Vision plans/options may not be used with Sprint PCS phones or smart phones being used as a modem in connection with other equipment (e.g., computers, etc.) through use of connection kits or other phone-to-computer/PDA accessories, or Bluetooth or other wireless technology. We may terminate services without notice for any misuse.
Translation, you are breaching your conditions of service if you tether. If you are not tethering you can visit as many streaming media sites and TV sites and anything else you want on an all you can eat plan, but, if you tether then you need a phone as a modem plan that usually includes 40MB and then is 0XX˘ per KB.
My recommendation: Better safe than sorry, at least change to the $15/7.50 power vision plan. If your going to tether be prepared to be caught and don’t ask for a credit if your caught and they take you off your unlimited plan without telling you, think about it like this, you didn’t tell them you were tethering even though you know you should have, they wont make you back pay from when you started but will make you pay from the time you were caught going forward. FYI if you are caught they will flag your account so that you cannot have the $15/7.5 or any other low priced unlimited data plans (I have seen them do this when they were looking for 3G 1xRTT people tethering and caught them).
And above all else, remember!!! No matter what the stripper says, there’s no *3 letter word for nookie* in the champagne room.
Falconier,
If you opt for the $25/month 40mb tethering plan, is the 40mb just for tethering and you still get unlimited handset data usage? Or does all your usage count against the 40mb limit? Or does it not even matter and you get unlimited tethering and handset usage since Sprint cannot distinguish which is which with the 6700?
doesn't the whole thing seem obsolete when you realize thanks to great technology you can use way more bandwidth, doing something like streaming orb video to your phone, than you would likely use tethering with the phone...
-jeff
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I used more than 40 megs just browsing my normal web sites last night and will probably use that much tonight too. So this 40 meg for $25 is a joke.
Sprint just needs to make a serious flat rate plan and stop screwing around with all this doublespeak in their plans. Unlimited is unlimited and they really haven't got a leg to stand on if they try to call someone on the carpet about it as long as there's no actual way for them to tell if you're tethering.
I'd be more than willing to pay up to $40 month for a all out flat rate plan with no restrictions if they would just offer it. They want $60 for a plan with a card, but I just don't want to tote around a card too. Actually, I would go as far to say that I would pay $60 a month, but I think $40 is more than fair. I just like being able to hit the web on my phone and do whatever I want on my laptop.
As it is now, I do tether, but I'm doing the exact same thing tethered as I would be if I wasn't. There's virtually no difference in the amount of data that would be transfered too so how can they even justify charging a different rate. Tethered just makes going to web sites much easier.
What about all these people streaming TV using Orb or podcasts or whatever other streaming media is happening these days? That's legitimate use under Sprints terms even though it's bound to be tons more data than even most online games like Everquest and WoW would generate. Sprints Vision(Data) plans just doesn't make sense! They seem rather arbitrary.
Just received a call from Sprint - they say they are no longer (or were never) supporting the 6700 as a Phone-as-modem device. They told me any use would be charged at $0.02 / KB starting from the first KB and that there is no phone-as-modem plan available.
They changed my plan from a $25/month plan to a $15/month plan as a result, which apparently has unlimited use of the internet on the phone, but no tethering at all.
Originally posted by Falconier OK, time for my 2˘. Sprint can and will force you to make a choice between unlimited power vision and pay as you go. Some people are saying they are fine on the old vision plans, some are saying they are being billed and it could be that in the future anyone using EVDO devices in an EVDO network and not on a power vision plan would be charged the default rate of 01˘ per KB until Dec then after Dec 02˘ per KB. Sprint at this time cannot see if you are tethered or not. Sprint in the future might develop a way to do this. Until then, you can tether if it doesn’t affect your conscience that your violating the conditions of service. All the 6700's should be on the $15 power vision plan (consumer primary) or $7.50 (consumer secondary for secondary phone on a family plan) as long as you are not tethering t o a separate device. Since the 6700 is not capable of using MMS as it stands right now and at this time cannot use the power vision radio or TV services the higher power vision plans are not appropriate. Per the Sprint terms and conditions found at the bottom of this web link : http://www1.sprintpcs.com/explore/ue...ss_Accessories
under the Other Sprint PCS Vision Terms. third sentence: Unlimited Vision plans/options may not be used with Sprint PCS phones or smart phones being used as a modem in connection with other equipment (e.g., computers, etc.) through use of connection kits or other phone-to-computer/PDA accessories, or Bluetooth or other wireless technology. We may terminate services without notice for any misuse.
Translation, you are breaching your conditions of service if you tether. If you are not tethering you can visit as many streaming media sites and TV sites and anything else you want on an all you can eat plan, but, if you tether then you need a phone as a modem plan that usually includes 40MB and then is 0XX˘ per KB.
My recommendation: Better safe than sorry, at least change to the $15/7.50 power vision plan. If your going to tether be prepared to be caught and don’t ask for a credit if your caught and they take you off your unlimited plan without telling you, think about it like this, you didn’t tell them you were tethering even though you know you should have, they wont make you back pay from when you started but will make you pay from the time you were caught going forward. FYI if you are caught they will flag your account so that you cannot have the $15/7.5 or any other low priced unlimited data plans (I have seen them do this when they were looking for 3G 1xRTT people tethering and caught them).
And above all else, remember!!! No matter what the stripper says, there’s no *3 letter word for nookie* in the champagne room.
This looks like an accurate overall picture of what's going on and I agree with 90% of what you've written.
Exception: If they can't tell if you're tethering or not then you're not unless you tell them when you call up to complain about your bill and they ask. At which point you tell them that they changed your account without your knowledge, you were only surfing on your 6700 and if you have to change to $15 PV then that's fine but these excess per kb charges need to come off right now.
As a memory refresher, I was on grandfathered vision, surfed with my 6700 only (not tethered use), racked up a $200 overcharge via per kb charges, called in and was forced to go to a $15 PV + $5/100 text plan and they removed the $200 per kb overcharges.
If you are getting by without a PV plan then power to you but the more I read it sounds like the computer is readjusting everyone into a PV plan whether you request it or not.
Until there is one piece of info that says that Sprint can tell if you are tethering (on the 6700) then please, by all means, tether away.
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