Has anyone figured out if you will be able to use bluetooth to listen to standard audio? I have reviewed the postings for days and don't see anyone addressing this. Anyone with success or input?
1. There is no A2DP or AVRCP profiles. This was not really surprising, given that the 6700 is using the Microsoft stack, but there was some hope as of late that it might have made it in... not that I can see. I was able to pair successfully with my HP Bluetooth headphones, but when it came time to select the service(s) to use the list was empty.
2. Voice command is not activated when pressing the MFB (multi-function button) on a BT headset. At least it doesn't work with my Logitech Mobile Freedom. I didn't necessarily expect it to, since unlike the Universal the Apache doesn't come with any pre-installed Voice control software.
Now onto the good news!!
1. The 6700 supports the Audio Gateway profile out of the box!! This means that without doing anything special, windows audio will be played through your BT headset. I discovered this by accident while testing Orb with my headset on my ear. All of a sudden I was hearing the TV audio in my ear! This will be very good for GPS users with BT car kits, as well as for Orb and other low-fi audio sources. I would never use this to listen to mp3s because the audio quality of this method is like that of a telephone conversation. The frequency response is just nothing close to what it needs to be to get good audio quality. But like I said, it's great for voice prompts, audiobooks, and orb TV audio (which is already compressed fairly low sound quality).
2. Overall performance of Bluetooth on the 6700 is fantastic, especially when paired with other BT 1.2 peripherals. My logitech headset is BT 1.2, so it can take advantage of the increased quality and reliability. I was able to walk 40 feet away from my PPC without one hint of static or dropouts. Compared to the 6600 this is a world of difference. I'm talking about ZERO static!
3. Furthermore, from sleep mode, the BT device and headset "woke up" simultaneously for an incoming call after about one ring. I had no problems answering and hanging up from the MFB on the headset.
Wow, from this initial glimpse I am very impressed with the BT performance on this device, especially when benchmarked against the 6600 (which was so piss-poor I hardly ever used it).
Haven't tried GPS yet, but that's on tap for later tonight.
Furthermore, the registry hack to enable MFB activation of Voice Command on the Universal doesn't do anything for the Apache (which makes sense but I just wanted to cover my bases).
So does that mean no BT mouse? Doesn't it require the A2DP profile keyboard profile? Maybe that's a good thing - one more reason to get some work done on my house instead of buying another phone! - sheureka
Hi sheureka. Actually, A2DP is only for transferring high quality audio... has nothing to do with mice. It just so happened that it was bundled with the HID profile as an add-on patch for the 6600 (and other Broadcomm-based Pocket PCs).
As for the HID profile, supposedly it is supported for keyboards... not sure about mice. Check out this article:
I wish I had a BT mouse and kb to try. I've not been able to find a straight list of supported profiles on the MS stack. With Broadcom it was easy to see what profiles were installed, but with the MS stack you have to actually pair a device to see if it will work.
Originally posted by docangle Have you tried DUN (Dial-Up Networking) over Bluetooth yet?
Good news!
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Actually I didn't. Actually the news is even better. I can confirm that BT DUN (Tethering) works!
It couldn't have been easier. Just launched the Wireless Modem applet on the 6700 (and chose Bluetooth), paired my computer to the 6700 (it showed no available profiles but I let it pair anyway). Then I created a Dialup Networking connection on my laptop and chose the new BT Modem device to connect with (this appeared after I paired it to the 6700). The phone number is #777 (for those who don't know) and there is no user name or password. Then you just hit connect and I saw the data transfer arrows appear on my 6700. Sure enough, there I am.
HOWEVER... I am not seeing what I'd call EV-DO speeds via DUN. I tried doing a regular (java-based) speed test on dslreports and got 130kbps the first time and 100kbps the second.
I will keep playing around with it, and trying from both home & work (I have EV-DO access from both places).
130KB is the same the i730 can do via BT, it has something to do with the Serial SPP profile for the MS Bluetooth Stack, I think you will get much better speeds using USB (using the wmodem program.)
As a side note did you have to use the Modem Driver on the CD (PC Side)?
No I didn't... but I did install ActiveSync 4 off of the CD, so maybe it installed the modem driver as part of that process? I'll go hunting on the CD and see if I can find anything.
Dan
P.S. This reason is probably why Sprint made the caveat of enabling BT DUN with a future firmware update.
Thanks docangle... you're right on target. I ran wmodem with USB and connected up. I was amused at the device detection bubble on my PC. The USB modem was detected as "Generic Serial (PROTOTYPE--Remember to change idVendor)".
Whoops! Looks like someone forgot to change it . Anyway, I pointed it to the UBS modem driver on the CD and it installed just fine. There is a crude DUN program on the CD but I just used the built-in DUN connection on my PC and connected with no problems. Ran a speedtest on DSL reports and got 630kbps, so that's definitely the way to go until the BT issues can be fixed (which it sounds like they will). I have heard many low mutterings that MS is working on a big update to their stack, so let's keep our fingers crossed that it will fix DUN to work at higher speeds and add some sorely-needed profiles (A2DP would be nice).
Otherwise I am very impressed with the stability of the MS Stack. The BT 1.2 radio in this device is also awesome when paired with a 1.2 headset--ultra reliable and great range.
I hear thos mutterings too. If they can update the stack so that it supports Microsoft Voice command triggering via bluetooth headset button I will be in heaven. It seems they have audio gateway working as you said (which means that skype should be working now via bluetooth headset, that would be awesome!) which is an awesome feature as it would allow audio listening of books and even movie watching where sound quality isnt paramount.
A2DP would be nice if it means that it would not eat up cpu power. A2DP on the 6600 eats up alot of processor power because it is converting the audio on the fly to the A2DP stream so the headphone can pick it up. Why the bluetooth chipset in the phone doesnt do this I do not know. But it makes it pretty uselles fo movies/games (mp3 listening doesnt consume so many cpu cycles).
Nice to hear the range is so good. Thank God. I can go back to a jabra headset instead of the fugly logitech. I hope the range thing isnt only for 1.2 headsets. If so do Jabra have 1.2 headsets apart from the fugly BT800?
Originally posted by luv2chill As for the HID profile, supposedly it is supported for keyboards... not sure about mice.
The profile for keyboards is the same as for mice (at least with Stowaway) so I'm sure it will work. That raises another question - does this thing have IR? TIA - sheureka
Yes it does ma'am! It is irda SIR, which is low powered (so can't use it as your TV remote), but it was the same limitation with the 6600. It works fine for transmitting to PCs, printers, and other PDAs.
Thinking about picking one up? You know you want it!
Honestly, I'm extremely impressed. Yes it's a little chubby, but otherwise it's so much smaller than the 6600... makes a big difference. Also, all of the feature upgrades over the 6600 are wonderful and seem to work well. The device is quite speedy and the OS seems stable, even with Voice Command installed (haven't tried many other apps yet). Bluetooth and Wi-Fi work surprisingly well.
EV-DO was the compelling draw for me, and so if it is for you too then I understand wanting to hold off (since Hutch isn't likely to have it too soon). But even then, I like smaller phones so even without EV-DO I like this thing a lot.
Yes... try to find a car kit that uses Bluetooth 1.2 though, as you will get increased reliability that way. But even if it's older than 1.2 it will still work.
Originally posted by mcq3000 A2DP would be nice if it means that it would not eat up cpu power. A2DP on the 6600 eats up alot of processor power because it is converting the audio on the fly to the A2DP stream so the headphone can pick it up. Why the bluetooth chipset in the phone doesnt do this I do not know. But it makes it pretty uselles fo movies/games (mp3 listening doesnt consume so many cpu cycles).
A2DP uses its own audio compression, known as sbc. A2DP transmission of an mp3 uses more cpu than just listening to the mp3 because the audio has to be decoded (mp3) and reencoded (sbc).
The A2DP spec actually allows for headsets that implement their own mp3 decoder. Most or all headsets don't implement it and even if they do, your handheld might not even try to go that route. But if everything came together, stereo bluetooth might take even *less* cpu than just listening to the mp3 on a wired headset would.
Excellent news for those of us longing for A2DP/AVRCP support. It is coming! It will be added along with the Exchange Push features in a ROM update to be released in Q106. MS is referring to this collective update as AKU 2.0. I'm sure some other bug fixes and enhancements will also be included.
See Jason Langridge's blog for more details (he's a MS employee--be sure to bookmark it or subscribe to his RSS feed... good info).
Any information on, or way to suggest, that BT include the signal strenth on the Acrua HandsFree Link.... this works for Motorola phones and Seimens includes the battery strength too. Some thing reminds me that these devices use a "Broadcom" BT implmentation?
. Anyway, I pointed it to the UBS modem driver on the CD and it installed just fine. There is a crude DUN program on the CD but I just used the built-in DUN connection on my PC and connected with no problems. Ran a speedtest on DSL reports and got 630kbps, so that's definitely the way to go until the BT issues can be fixed (which it sounds like they will). I have heard many low mutterings that MS is working on a big update to their stack, so let's keep our fingers crossed that it will fix DUN to work at higher speeds and add some sorely-needed profiles (A2DP would be nice).
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