I have been doing a lot of research on this one for another site I frequent and it is a very interesting take on the SmartPhone phenomenon. Instead of actually merging a PDA and a Phone, they take your average phone, beef it up with a better screen, and stuff Windows inside to give it a slightly more robust experience than your typical cell phone. No touch-screen, no pointer, no mouse. Any data entry is done via the keypad.
What impresses me is how positive everyone reviewing this thing has been, so far. It is definitely a phone first - faithful to the Kyocera slogan - but it packs just enough power to make it worth owning over a Motorola flip-phone. For those Kyo users wondering about a switch, only consider it if the Kyo6035 is already too much PDA for you. The SmartPhones let you store larger phonebooks, have limited calendaring, and surf the web. But they do not have the infinite flexibility of a PocketPC or Palm SmartPhone. And no, SmartPhone 2002 and PocketPC 2002 are completely different animals - and not in a bad way.
My gut tells me when the dust settles, there will be two kinds of phones in the world. You might call them the Communicator and the Tricorder (for us Star Trek fans). The Communicator will be very much like these Microsoft SmartPhones - lots of power but an absolute limitation on how far it can go, so that it always works as a phone. The Tricorders will be hyper-multi-function devices like the Kyocera 7135 - packed full of convergence technology, but with that chance that the phone may fail sometimes so that the rest of it keeps going.
And I find it very amusing that I would consider the 6035 to be on the same side of the fence as the Microsoft SmartPhone.
Originally posted by nomad7674 I have been doing a lot of research on this one for another site I frequent and it is a very interesting take on the SmartPhone phenomenon. Instead of actually merging a PDA and a Phone, they take your average phone, beef it up with a better screen, and stuff Windows inside to give it a slightly more robust experience than your typical cell phone. No touch-screen, no pointer, no mouse. Any data entry is done via the keypad.
My gut tells me when the dust settles, there will be two kinds of phones in the world. You might call them the Communicator and the Tricorder (for us Star Trek fans). The Communicator will be very much like these Microsoft SmartPhones - lots of power but an absolute limitation on how far it can go, so that it always works as a phone. The Tricorders will be hyper-multi-function devices like the Kyocera 7135 - packed full of convergence technology, but with that chance that the phone may fail sometimes so that the rest of it keeps going.
And I find it very amusing that I would consider the 6035 to be on the same side of the fence as the Microsoft SmartPhone.
Good points....but I am just glad that MicroSoft didn't see Palm as much of a contender when they started out, else they may have tried to buy them out, and let them wither on the vine so to speak then come out with Pocket PC as about the only game in town(except for Psion's operating system but you don't hear much from them these days). These new MicroSoft SmartPhones, just seem to me to be taking alot of the PIM functions in some of the higher end phones, adding color and an easier way to surf the net, and calling them a smartphone. Ok, I think from some of the stuff I have been looking over, that you can download games and stuff on them, but it is kinda limited. Me I love being able to add what ever Palm programs I like and altering the ones that come preloaded, and going from there.
I try to avoid MS products as much as I can, and I am getting tired of hearing how great MS has made the computer world. I have watched MS bankrupt new companies that come out with new ideas to see them preverted by MS and virtually given away so that they can not compete with MS and sell out to them, or close their doors. Oh...wait, getting kinda preachy on my anti-MS soapbox, I will sit down now, but there is no way I am going to rush out and buy a device that has powered my MicroSoft on it....I would rather go back to using my old StarTac than that. Who knows what information that phone may send back to MS late at night, when all is quiet and it is the only thing awake in the house. I fear MS more than I fear the government, with good reason I think.
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I try to avoid MS products as much as I can, and I am getting tired of hearing how great MS has made the computer world. I have watched MS bankrupt new companies that come out with new ideas to see them preverted by MS and virtually given away so that they can not compete with MS and sell out to them, or close their doors.
I also generally try to avoid MS products, though I do own a Win98 laptop and have owned a WindowsCE device. (Though MacOS X and PalmOS are my home OSes.) MS is certainly guilty of your charges (a court of law convicted them of much of this). At the same time, I think we are way too close to MS to know whether long-term they are a good thing or a bad thing. Bill Gates is the "robber baron" of our century - though he certainly is not as bad as many of the ones from the last century. Some of those robber barons did more good than bad (Henry Ford), others did more bad than good (the guy who ran Pullman railway cars). I think the story of MS is still being written. Much of the success of I/T in the last few decades would not have happened if it were not for them... at the same time, a lot of really good things would have happened which did not. Maybe Commodore would still be alive, for one, and BeOS for another.
Anyway, I think this MS invention is quite interesting and a good thing for the cell phone market. They have done nothing which Palm can not duplicate or which Symbian is not already doing in a different way or which a stripped-down MacOS could not do... but they have done it differently and made something genuinely interesting.
Anyway, I think this MS invention is quite interesting and a good thing for the cell phone market. They have done nothing which Palm can not duplicate or which Symbian is not already doing in a different way or which a stripped-down MacOS could not do... but they have done it differently and made something genuinely interesting. [/b]
I definitely agree. M$'s new offering doesn't offer nearly the flexibility of a Palm-powered device, but for those who just need all their contacts, calendar, and to-dos in one device, they might be on to something (especially if they offer the phones at a price comparable to a higher-end "regular" phone). Let's just hope this new "OS" is less prone to crashing than PocketPC.
Originally posted by nomad7674 I also generally try to avoid MS products, though I do own a Win98 laptop and have owned a WindowsCE device. (Though MacOS X and PalmOS are my home OSes.) MS is certainly guilty of your charges (a court of law convicted them of much of this). At the same time, I think we are way too close to MS to know whether long-term they are a good thing or a bad thing. Bill Gates is the "robber baron" of our century - though he certainly is not as bad as many of the ones from the last century. Some of those robber barons did more good than bad (Henry Ford), others did more bad than good (the guy who ran Pullman railway cars). I think the story of MS is still being written. Much of the success of I/T in the last few decades would not have happened if it were not for them... at the same time, a lot of really good things would have happened which did not. Maybe Commodore would still be alive, for one, and BeOS for another.
Anyway, I think this MS invention is quite interesting and a good thing for the cell phone market. They have done nothing which Palm can not duplicate or which Symbian is not already doing in a different way or which a stripped-down MacOS could not do... but they have done it differently and made something genuinely interesting.
You make some good points, how ever I really have to dissagree with you in a few places...one of the big ones is that much of our success of I/T in the last few decades would not have happened...I am sorry..but I think if anything they have hampered I/T. I have been a systems administrator on both Unix(SunOS mainly) and NT, and I can tell you ....Unix is a much easier and more stable platform, from an admin's point of view. With unix, it was alot easier to set up someones account without them actually having to log onto the system and set it up. You had tools that would let you export the user's information and reload it, were as with NT, guess what...its gone, and you have to re create it on every machine. Yes you can set up roaming profiles in NT, but that can cause some problems down the road, wear as with UNIX, just import that profile to the machine and you are good to go.
Software...this is a major gripe of mine....how many new systems in the 90's did you find, that came preloaded with certain packages, Works, or MS Office...one of the big reasons...MS's pricing scheme...if you use our software, you pay less for the operating system, and can therefor sell your systems for less(not that the profit margin on a pc is that great, its those accessories they get cha money with). And about our produts...oh..well yeah, they are big, and memory hogs..and don't exactly play well with other programs, and lets not even go into the security holes the OS and office products have, but well market share...thats the important thing...quality..eh...not our concern. And can someone tell me...if IE is THAT big a part of the OS, why is it you used to have to load it AFTER you loaded the OS??? That about pegs out my BS meter!! And nothing like screwing the inventor of the web browser with that sweet heart deal....sure, we will give you X% of the profits on our web browser if we can use your technology in it....and when the ink is dry..btw, we will be giving IE away for free....oohhh..someone needed a better lawyer.
Doh...sorry...rant off...breath...quit sticking the pins in the Bill G doll....time to go out and relax and smoke my pipe. Sorry if I went off..but I get tired of hearing how much MS has done for us...MS has done for MS, and that is it!! And don't even get me started on this new scam they got going to get you to pay them every year for your software!! Hmm...maybe I should check out Lotus's office suite.:angel
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