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Old 04-23-2008, 03:05 AM
     
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HTC/Sprint Diamond & Raphael Discussion (goodbye Touch & Mogul)

It looks like some information has leaked about two upcoming Windows Mobile CDMA HTC phones coming to Sprint! They are code named Diamond (HTC Touch Diamond) and Raphael (HTC Touch Pro).

I think we can count on official news/information from HTC's UK May 6th new devices introduction party.

For now here's what we can gather from the leaked photos, and information from reliable sources. It's unclear if all of these features will be in the released version, or if some will be disabled (such as GPS was in the Titan initially). It seems likely the devices will debut on GSM before appearing on Sprint. Sprint is slating Q3 for the Diamond and Q4 for the Raphael. It seems likely that the Diamond could even hit before end of Q2 on GSM in Europe, with the Raphael to follow in Q3.

Update 04/29/08: HTC Diamond coming out next month (GSM first?)
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"We already knew it was coming, now HTC has seemingly confirmed that its Diamond handset will be announced next month presumably at the May 6th event. The wording of the Taipei Times article (which we assume was translated from Chinese) leaves HTC's comments open to interpretation. Speaking to a group of investors, HTC's financial executive Cheng Hui-ming, said that revenues will grow by 20% this year thanks to the launch of a new Touch phone next month. Referring to the HTC Diamond by name, he then calls the device "the most important product for HTC this year."
HTC Raphael (HTC Touch Pro)
  • Successor to the Sprint HTC Mogul
  • 99x51x17mm
  • Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
  • 256MB ROM / 128MB RAM
  • Qualcomm MSM 7201A @ 528MHz (Mogul uses MSM7500)
  • 7.2MB HSDPA / HSUPA (rev A EVDO for Sprint versions)
  • 2.8" VGA (480x640) Screen! (Please provide accelerated drivers HTC!)
  • TV out!
  • Bluetooth 2.0 with EDR
  • WiFi
  • Orientation sensor (Think iPhone)
  • FM Radio
  • eGPS (Read below for description of eGPS)
  • 3.1MP Camera with flash
  • Forward facing camera
  • microSDHC expansion
  • 900mAh battery (WTF?)
  • Enhanced TouchFlo
  • Sprint version rumored to be released Q4 '08 (September?).
  • Device Screenshots:

HTC Diamond (HTC Touch Diamond)

Same specs as the Raphael, with these deferences:
  • Successor to the Sprint HTC Touch
  • 99x51x10.7mm
  • 4GB internal flash storage (Samsung MoviNAND)
  • No hardware keyboard
  • No TV out
  • Sprint version rumored to be released Q3 '08.
  • Device Screenshots:
  • OS UI Screenshots:

eGPS?

Bleeding edge stuff recently announced by UK company CSR in February. Basically it’s like aGPS but better (Qualcomm's upcoming gpsOneXTRA will be a competitor).

A typical eGPS push-to-fix will be available in less than 4 seconds, accurate to within 10 meters and require the equivalent power of less than 1 second of handset talk time.

It works indoors, when the device is powered down, uses less battery, acquires the sat signal faster and works globally.

How do the sizes compare to other HTC devices?

HTC Raphael (HTC Touch Pro) - 99x51x17mm
HTC Diamond (HTC Touch Diamond) - 99x51x10.7mm
HTC Vogue (Sprint Touch) - 102x60.96x15.24mm (4.0" x 2.4" x 0.6")
HTC Titan (Mogul) - 109.22x58.42x17.78mm (4.3" H x 2.3" W x 0.7" D)

(Click image below for interactive size details)


Other info:

I think 7200A chipset is GSM only, there's some evidence that suggests the CDMA version will be based off the 7500A.

There is also information out there for model code named the "HTC Titanium" (HTC Touch Dual Pro). It's the updated version of the current Touch Dual. The Titanium/Touch Dual Pro is speculated to have that current slider dial pad but otherwise keeps the Touch Pro's specs. No information available if this model will be available for Sprint.

Sources:

HTC confirms Diamond with VGA touchscreen launch next month? (Engadget Mobile - 04/29/2008)
New phone model to spur sales: HTC (Taipei Times - 04/26/2008)
Paul @ MoDaCo forums (04/24/2008)
HTC's Raphael and Diamond: coming to Sprint and looking good (Engadget - 04/23/2008)
PDAFans (Chinese language, has lots of screen shots of Chinese version of Windows Mobile 6.1 running on the Diamond, 04/14/2008)
HTC actually readying Diamond / Raphael smartphones? (Engadget Mobile - 04/01/2008)
Bluetooth SIG (Diamond)
Bluetooth SIG (Raphael)
PDAMobiz (Thailand language, has detailed specs for Raphael & Diamond - 03/08/2008)

Edit 04/29/2008: Updated info with new possible release data for the Diamond.

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one is cdma and one is gsm.
 
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one is cdma and one is gsm.
What leads you to that conclusion?
 
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Wow! Finally host USB and XGA and WVGA graphics!

Hmmm. I've only had my Mogul for less than 30 days - should I return it and wait?
 
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Wow! Finally host USB and XGA and WVGA graphics!

Hmmm. I've only had my Mogul for less than 30 days - should I return it and wait?
Am I in the Twilight Zone? Where are you people getting your information from? My post and the source articles make no mention of host USB or XGA/WVGA, just VGA.
 
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I confess I don't know if the device will have it, but go to the link on the QCT 7500A and look at the capabilities.
 
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A business rep from Verizon said that GSM is coming soon to Verizon to take advantage of some new data technology that will be even faster than EVDO RevA and make it a world phone. I didn't think GSM had a chance speedwise against CDMA!

Hmmm...
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I confess I don't know if the device will have it, but go to the link on the QCT 7500A and look at the capabilities.
Ahh I see, well the Mogul uses 7500 (non A) and it's also capable of WVGA and USB host, but that's not what was implemented in the final product.

From the leaked spec sheet of the Raphael and Diamond we can see that they implemented VGA (Not WVGA) and no mention is made of USB host. See I think we can draw the proper conclusions from that.

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A business rep from Verizon said that GSM is coming soon to Verizon to take advantage of some new data technology that will be even faster than EVDO RevA and make it a world phone. I didn't think GSM had a chance speedwise against CDMA!

Hmmm...
He must be talking about LTE, that's 4G technology, and it will be most likely be put up against Sprint's upcoming WiMax network. Don't hold your breath, trials for Verizon LTE start in late 2008, with no current schedules for any phones that support it.

More info:
Wikipedia LTE article

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Wow! Finally host USB and XGA and WVGA graphics!

Hmmm. I've only had my Mogul for less than 30 days - should I return it and wait?
i can guarantee that the phone will not be available till next year, and it will be as usually as all winmo devices buggy. Keep your Mogul and save it as a backup phone.
 
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Actually, the MSM7500 in the Mogule IS rev A (cf. recent rom upgrade) .

As for VZW going GSM, Vodaphone's been wanting them to do that for YEARS, and it's quite concievable that they have GSM cpability on their towers (just turned off at the moment). So if they wanted to implement HSPA (3.6-7.2 Mbs down) I bet they could implement it in a heartbeat.

LTE is a different story, but all good things come to those who wait...and wait...and wait....
 
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Can you provide a quote? The spec sheet screenshots for both phones specify EVDO Rev A which is a CDMA only technology. The Engadget article also specifies that both phones are going to Sprint, which is a CDMA (not GSM) network.

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Actually, the MSM7500 in the Mogule IS rev A (cf. recent rom upgrade) .
When I said "Non A" I meant the difference in model names between the chipsets the phones (Mogul & Raphael) use "MSM7500" vs "MSM7500A".

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Nobody would be happier than me if this was true, but I think it's likely a hoax.

The chipset it lists is a GSM chipset, and we all know Sprint is not a GSM carrier.

I think th epictures were taken from that poster on HoFo's sig, and they were photoshopped into the Sprint documents (which are also fake).
 
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Can you provide a quote? The spec sheet screenshots for both phones specify EVDO Rev A which is a CDMA only technology. The Engadget article also specifies that both phones are going to Sprint, which is a CDMA (not GSM) network.



When I said "Non A" I meant the difference in model names between the chipsets the phones (Mogul & Raphael) use "MSM7500" vs "MSM7500A".
if u click on the read link it will provide you with the info that i shared
 
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