I am rapidly running out of available memory with my Kyo 7135. I have a 256 KB ScanDisk SD card (no problems with it, by the way) but I don't think I am using it in the most effective manner. I am looking for something to better handle VFS and my SD card. Currently, I use TealAlias from TealPoint (http://www.tealpoint.com/softalia.htm) but until it can automatically copy files back to my SD card, it is of limited usefulness for me.

BC (Before the Crash), there were a couple of threads on PiDirect and another program that I cannot remember now. There was also a thread on using JackSprat and JackFlash to better utilize available memory. I can use that information now -- and I realize that my questions below were all previously answered -- but that information is gone (for good?) now.

Since I am certain there are members on this board have have even more stuff in their Kyo than I do, I am curious about how other members are maximizing there memory and storage resources.

Do you use JackSprat and JackFlash, and if so, what do you move to ROM and what are the caveats?

Do you use PiDirect and if so, what do you move to your SD card?

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I have a 64mb SD card with about 40mb available. I also have about 35% of my internal memory available. I run 70% of my apps from the SD card. So far, I can't think of any that didn't run from the SD card. I also use Launcher X as my launcher. It handles the SD card great. The only reason I don't use more apps from the card is that assigning buttons to the apps seems to need the apps in main memory.

I probably take a performance hit running stuff from the SD card, but haven't seen any big delays. I do get the "Loading" when I first launch the app from the card...

I did free up a lot of card space by deleting previous backups. I use Card Backup since it does incredmental backups. Not sure if BB does. I have mine set to do an automatic backup every morning at 7am. I only have the one backup file on the card.

I can't imagine having 256mb of card space and almost running out of room...

16mb of internal memory is amazing compared to my Palm V with only 2mb!

I thought PowerRUN or TealAlias or some other such utility was necessary to run your application from your SD card. If you don't need them, then what are their benefits, if any?

And is there anything "special" you need to do to run your applications (as opposed to data) from your SD card?

Also, what are the differences between PowerRUN and DiDirect II??

Beryl (I think) had an excellent comparison of the two programs but, alas, that was lost in the Great Crash of 2003. Beryl, if you're still here, can you repeat your answer?

Boy, the archive had a GREAT thread on all the memory card options you have, and there's no way I can really replace that here, but I can summarize what *I* have:

The two main progams for using memory in the SD card are PowerRun, and PiDirect II. The two operate very differently, and each has their uses.

PowerRun can take a palm application, along with all of its data files (like .ini and .cfg files), and move them all to a folder on your SD card. It then makes a 2k "stub" application for each moved program. Running the stub (which appears as an icon in your launcher with an asterisk next to it and a little blue tab in the icon itself) automatically copies the program (and all its supporting files) from your SD card into main memory, and runs the program. This can take anywhere from 1 second (for a small game) to around 8 seconds for a very large application. When you quit the application, PowerRun AUTOMATICALLY copies all the files back to your DS card. This means that if you change settings, or get a high score, or whatever, the settings get copied back to the SD card.

This is different than just moving an App to the SD card or using a launcher like LauncherX, because that JUST moves the main executable to the card, and not all of its support files. For some of my programs, those support files can be just as big or BIGGER than the main program itself.

PowerRun isn't suited for programs that have HotSync conduits, or for programs that automatically recognize the SD card as a place to store files (in other words, programs that are VFS aware.)

PiDirect II is a program that always runs the background. It "fools" the applications you specify to recognise a folder (or set of folders) on the SD card as "regular" memory. For example, suppose you have a mapping program that doesn't automatically recognise the SD card. Also suppose the mapping program wants the map files it uses to be in regular memory. With PiDirect II, you can copy those map files into a folder on the SD card, and PiDirect II "fools" your mapping software to grab the map files from the SD card automatically.

PiDirect II isn't suited for programs that already know how to use the SD card for file storage. it can also be incompatible with some software. Plus, you always need to keep the main program in the regular memory.

So, with that said, here's how I use them:

ALL of my games are on the SD card via PowerRun. They all take a moment or two to load as a result, but games are usually things that I can wait for. I have only one or two programs that I use PiDirect II with, and they deal with Maps and GPS, and are pretty old.

I keep all my browsers and email programs in regular memory (too many support files for PowerRun, and too many little files to move around, and their cache files would take too long to work with on the card with PiDirect II IMHO). Agendus and Takephone are in regular memory too. QuickOffice and iSilo are VFS aware, so they are in regular memory, but their documents are on the card. The BeBobber MP3 player is in regular memory, but all the songs are on the card. SplashPhoto keeps all of its photos on the card. ShadowPlan already has a stub for main memory (to keep the conduit alive) and the main app is in the card.

For me, with judicious use of these two programs, I have 4.44 megs left in main memory.

It is at this point that I'm looking at JackFlash/JackSprat. I'd like to move things like Agendus, AllTime, DateMate, ClockPro, and iSilo into Flash.

Hope this helps. I'm sure someone will correct me on something.

-Warr

With Launcher X, I copy the program to my card. I then delete only the App of the version that is in ram - I keep the pref and DB files. It saves me some space and as I said, I haven't had a program not run that was on the SD card.

Programs I run from the SD card.

Avantgo
Most Browsers except my daily one (Xiino)
All Quick Office Apps
Smartlists to Go
Filez
Converter
and a bunch of misc apps....

Thanks

wernst did a very good job. He uses PowerRun and RAM as I do. Actually, I've had success with PowerRun and some programs with conduits (QO Premier). I haven't put PIDirect on my phone since I upgraded the firmware. I only added PIDirect because the old firmware didn't work well with less than 8MB free. I have about 6MB free now with no real problem.

I've just got ZLauncher and seems to duplicate PowerRun functions along with the bzillion other things it does. When it creates a shortcut (like LauncherX), it ALSO copies associated files based on creator ID into a specfic directory just like PowerRun:

PalmProgramsZlauncherAppsprogramname

PalmProgramsPowerRunprogramname

I've not transferred all of my PowerRun programs over to ZLauncher but I might over time.

Hhhhmmmm..... YMMV, I guess. I'm on the new firmware now, but when I was still using the old firmware, I had less than 8 MB available (running around 4.5 MB free) for months. No problems at all with the old firmware in that situation for me. Same with the new firmware. I guess some people have problems, and others (like me) don't when running with less than 8 MB free on the old firmware.

I was thinking about using PowerRun and/or PIDirect. Thank you for the information about ZLauncher. I'll have to check that out, too.

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Michael

I have 4.5 mb available now, but have had as low as 2 mb with no problems. I also use a lucnher program to move the programs to the card. I run about 65-75% of my programs from the card, with only a slight delay at startup.

I use Facer and it moves the programs fine. I also use FileZ to move some data files....some (really I should say a few) programs recognize the data moved or let you tell it where to find the data.

I don't use either of the above mentioned programs.

Yeah, you are right. My sister has the OLD, OLD firmware (Altell) and has less than 1MB left, lots of add-ons and hacks and NO problems at all. (She bought my old 7135 in April.) She actually ran out of memory (19K) so she couldn't load anything -- still no crashes.

... and it's getting much worse.

I tried moving some appplication files to my SD card -- no PowerRUN, no PiDirect II -- hotsynced and the applications were nowhere to be found. Fiddled with a few things (i.e. moved different files and applications to the SD card) and still could not get everything to appear.

Then I loaded ZLauncher -- or rather, tried to -- and not only did ZLauncher not load but even more applications disappeared. Now I can no longer find MobiMate WorldMate Pro and my Novii Remote database files. I mean not only is the application gone but their program files are not even there. And I no longer have any data files on my SD card.

I should add that just before all these problems, I loaded Documents-to-Go 6 on my Kyo: the brand new version with native file support for Microsoft Word and Excel. I hope this is not related to my issues because Documents-to-Go 6 is a great program.

By the way, throughout this entire process I have had about 2.6 Mbytes free. And during this entire process, I only had to do one soft reset. So I am assuming everything is still fairly stable.

I realize that everyone is busy but could someone provide step-by-step instructions on how to load applications and data files on to your SD card. Without PiDirect and/or PowerRUN but maybe with ZLauncher and/or TealAlias. Sort of a "Loading Apps and Files on a Kyo 7135 SD Card for Really Dumb People". I know there is something simple I must be missing.

Your apps have not disappeared.

Look under the Card category using the default launcher for apps you've moved to the card.

Look under "All" category and/or "Unfiled" category for apps using ZLauncher.

In Launcher X, I just drag the file to the "card" icon. It then pops up asking "Copy to Card or Move to Card"

you might also have to "refresh" your view to see the missing apps.

I did. They're not there. I also looked for them using FileZ and they're still not there. That's the problem.

At this point, I am thinking that something may not be working with my SD card. What it seems like is that everything I try to move there -- and maybe other things that are too big to fit in memory -- simply "disappear". I will try another SD card and see what happens.

But just in case, please prepare your "Moving Apps to the SD Card for Dummies" class for me.