Over the past weeks I've been reading all the posts in anticipation for the 7135, Like all of you, I (and a good friend of mine as well) will probably pony up for one of these.
Because of the confusion regarding release dates, etc., I thought I should post some GENERAL info I've heard -- and, from the time I actually had to test out a real 7135, some info I've "witnessed".
FYI: while I am NOT under any confidentiality agreement, in some areas I am intentionally "vague" ... because I am trying to show some "discretion" (translation: I don't want any "black marks" in the way of an early test of Kyocera's NEXT Smartphone!)
About the release date: like many of you, I've heard through my "official" channels about a late October street date for the 7135. However, VERY VERY recently I heard that IF it comes out before Christmas ... that'll be LUCK.
I tend to believe that for one good reason: when I had the 7135 in my hands, I found a MAJOR bug ... one which is related to how the PHONE part works; and from what I understand, a bug which HAD NOT been previously spotted.
While many of you have seen the Verizon-branded packaging for the 7135, Kyocera, on SEVERAL SEVERAL occasions have said to me that the company HAS NOT announced ANY carrier of the 7135. PERSONALLY, I'm sure that Verizon will be one.
My point is that IMO, the FIRST REAL sign that the 7135 is impending will be an "official announcement" FROM Kyocera on carriers.
I believe that once that announcement is made, there will probably be an additional lead time (two weeks (?)). That lead time will probably be for the printing of packaging, as well as manufacture of the Verizon name plate on the phone, and IMO PROBABLY the imprinting of the Verizon logo on the BATTERY DOOR (which is the part of the phone which faces out when in the holster).
About the phone: other than that one bug (major, though) ... the phone is a winner! Everything else works as it should! My good friend even has a name for what will be HER new 7135!
Another friend did not like the layout of the numeric keypad; he feels that, because the keys are too "smooth" and too close together, dialing by touch is VERY difficult.
In any event, I just wanted to post this because I can just see the posts FLYING on Oct. 18 if it's not available! FYI I have been promised to be informed when stores receive their 7135s ... but in the interim, I just wanted to offer some "tell-tale" signs which you might want to look out for in advance of running to the store!
Welcome. It surprises me you haven't been here sooner.
As your post indicated, you were rather vague regarding the "major bug" in the phone side of the 7135 that you discovered. Personally, I'd appreciate more specific information. Hopefully you will see fit to share more information with us.
Are you other testers aware of this bug? Are you at liberty to say what it is?
I don't see why a bug has to be confidential. Not like it's going to give competitive advantage to another company. It won't be in the final version, and I'm sure none of us here will see Kyo any differently because of it.
Although it might kill me to to wait much longer, I'd rather have any MAJOR bugs worked out before I drop $500 or more on this. One question...is it somewhat drool resistant?
Originally posted by Otter Hi all, first time post.
Over the past weeks I've been reading all the posts in anticipation for the 7135, Like all of you, I (and a good friend of mine as well) will probably pony up for one of these.
Because of the confusion regarding release dates, etc., I thought I should post some GENERAL info I've heard -- and, from the time I actually had to test out a real 7135, some info I've "witnessed".
FYI: while I am NOT under any confidentiality agreement, in some areas I am intentionally "vague" ... because I am trying to show some "discretion" (translation: I don't want any "black marks" in the way of an early test of Kyocera's NEXT Smartphone!)
About the release date: like many of you, I've heard through my "official" channels about a late October street date for the 7135. However, VERY VERY recently I heard that IF it comes out before Christmas ... that'll be LUCK.
I tend to believe that for one good reason: when I had the 7135 in my hands, I found a MAJOR bug ... one which is related to how the PHONE part works; and from what I understand, a bug which HAD NOT been previously spotted.
While many of you have seen the Verizon-branded packaging for the 7135, Kyocera, on SEVERAL SEVERAL occasions have said to me that the company HAS NOT announced ANY carrier of the 7135. PERSONALLY, I'm sure that Verizon will be one.
My point is that IMO, the FIRST REAL sign that the 7135 is impending will be an "official announcement" FROM Kyocera on carriers.
I believe that once that announcement is made, there will probably be an additional lead time (two weeks (?)). That lead time will probably be for the printing of packaging, as well as manufacture of the Verizon name plate on the phone, and IMO PROBABLY the imprinting of the Verizon logo on the BATTERY DOOR (which is the part of the phone which faces out when in the holster).
About the phone: other than that one bug (major, though) ... the phone is a winner! Everything else works as it should! My good friend even has a name for what will be HER new 7135!
Another friend did not like the layout of the numeric keypad; he feels that, because the keys are too "smooth" and too close together, dialing by touch is VERY difficult.
In any event, I just wanted to post this because I can just see the posts FLYING on Oct. 18 if it's not available! FYI I have been promised to be informed when stores receive their 7135s ... but in the interim, I just wanted to offer some "tell-tale" signs which you might want to look out for in advance of running to the store!
Best!
other than this mysterious "bug" (not me).
isn't this all "old" info already posted by others?
hmmm...
i wonder if saddam has something to do with this?
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Originally posted by dwdod ... As your post indicated, you were rather vague regarding the "major bug" in the phone side of the 7135 that you discovered. Personally, I'd appreciate more specific information. Hopefully you will see fit to share more information with us.
Please stick around and post often!
FYI Dave I tried to "err" on the side of "discretion" ... but after thinking about it, I decided there was nothing really "wrong" about telling you the bug, ESPECIALLY since I did have a pre-ship unit. (also, by the time they have the next generation Smartphone, hopefully Kyo will have forgotten that I posted this! (but again, I am NOT under NDA!)). So here goes ...
... when an INCOMING CALL is received by the 7135, the Caller ID information IS NOT displayed (the screen shows "Unavailable") -- until AFTER the incoming caller hangs up. THEN, the 7135 displays "Missed Call -- ###-###-####".
IOW ... the 7135 DOESN'T tell you who's calling -- until it's too late!
FYI I'm 99 percent sure that the ADSI Caller ID data IS being received by the 7135, just not being displayed, for THREE reasons:
1. The "Missed Call" which is displayed when the phone stops ringing;
2. I programmed a number into the Address Book app and set it to use one of the MIDI ringtones. When I called the 7135 from that number, the display still showed "Unavailable" ... BUT IT DID PLAY the MIDI ringtone.
3. (this is THE most interesting thing) If you're on a call and ANOTHER person calls the 7135, CALL WAITING Caller ID works EVERY TIME (the number displays AS it's ringing as Call Waiting).
Dave, I BELIEVE that I had the latest s/w revision, because I was told that the 7135 I got was brand new, and I was the first person to have seen that specific unit.
ON THE BRIGHT SIDE ... I was told that the HARDWARE was totally "ship-level" -- which would imply that the ONLY hold-up to manufacture is the Verizon logos.
Also Dave ... the 7135 did crash several times, only once as a result of phone usage. The other times were a result of EIS Browser crashing, requiring a reset.
"While many of you have seen the Verizon-branded packaging for the 7135, Kyocera, on SEVERAL SEVERAL occasions have said to me that the company HAS NOT announced ANY carrier of the 7135. PERSONALLY, I'm sure that Verizon will be one."
and then in your second post you say:
"ON THE BRIGHT SIDE ... I was told that the HARDWARE was totally "ship-level" -- which would imply that the ONLY hold-up to manufacture is the Verizon logos."
Originally posted by Otter ... when an INCOMING CALL is received by the 7135, the Caller ID information IS NOT displayed (the screen shows "Unavailable") -- until AFTER the incoming caller hangs up. THEN, the 7135 displays "Missed Call -- ###-###-####".
Thanks for the details Otter! It's pretty amazing to me that a bug this obvious would make this far into testing. It it a problem that needs correcting, but it doesn't sound that difficult to handle. My guess is this is a bug that will not make into final production, and shouldn't result in a major delay of the release date.
What is your secret to acquiring a unit for testing? I'd love to become a member of that team!
... when an INCOMING CALL is received by the 7135, the Caller ID information IS NOT displayed
My test unit, not so new, has no such problem. In fact, though my address book has 1,999 entries, the new 33Mhz processor is fast enough to do caller ID by name quite quickly (compared to 6035).
Originally posted by dwdod Thanks for the details Otter! It's pretty amazing to me that a bug this obvious would make this far into testing.
Actually, it's not THAT surprising, and here's why ...
... recently I tested the Motorola T720 -- but for some weird reason, the corporate Verizon number attached to the phone DID NOT have the Caller ID flag "on" at the Verizon switch. I found out later that since these accounts are created manually, ALL the various options HAVE to be turned on individually! So who knows ... maybe that flag on the Verizon switches were also overlooked.
OTOH ... Gellman posted that his/her 7135 with older firmware DOESN'T exhibit the same Caller ID anomaly. So that COULD mean that fixing one bug led to this new one, by accident.
Originally posted by gellmanb My test unit, not so new, has no such problem. In fact, though my address book has 1,999 entries, the new 33Mhz processor is fast enough to do caller ID by name quite quickly (compared to 6035).
I presume that the Caller ID bug on the unit I had had probably isn't related to the size of the Address Book app.
In fact ... as I mentioned, Caller ID on CALL WAITING worked PERFECTLY -- and I was quite impressed with the speed with which the 7135 retrieved the name and "number icon" (home, mobile, etc.).
As I mentioned to Imageone, PERHAPS one bug was created when another one was fixed!
Originally posted by Otter PERHAPS one bug was created when another one was fixed!
I know that story. I upgraded the bios for my motherboard, not because it has any specific fixes I needed, I just like to stay current. Now, every once in awhile, it tries to boot from the cdrom drive. Yanking the power cord from the back of the box fixes it.
On the whole it's been a good cheap board, an ECS k7s5a, which is still sold today a year later. While browsing at fry's I did see a nice gigabyte motherboard. 8 IDE devices, promise raid, 5.1 audio, usb2, firewire, etc..
Would be cool if/when bluetooth takes off. Could theoretically have bluetooth mouse, keyboard, and printer provided the first two had internal batteries.
Also at Fry's saw a 5 inch LCD tv w/tuner. Plugs into cig lighter. $188. Kyocera better get on the stick. The Consumer Electronics train is leaving the station and one would assume they want to be on that train.
I went by my local Verizon dealer in Birmingham, AL to check on the status of the new 7135 phone. I was talking to a salesperson who had just returned from training on the phone and he was very impressed with it. He told me that the phone will be available at the end of October and no later than the beginning of Nov. He also said that they have a couple of bugs that Verizon is working out and that is why the phone has not been released yet. He did not go into detail on the problems so I don't know what they are. With this info and all the info I have found on the dis. boards I look for it to be the end of Oct before I am able to get the phone.
Originally posted by Otter ... when an INCOMING CALL is received by the 7135, the Caller ID information IS NOT displayed (the screen shows "Unavailable") -- until AFTER the incoming caller hangs up. THEN, the 7135 displays "Missed Call -- ###-###-####".
IOW ... the 7135 DOESN'T tell you who's calling -- until it's too late!
I'm using beta 2 and good news - this is fixed! The caller ID DOES display as soon as the phone rings!
Originally posted by crlipman suffice to say that beta 2 started after this prob was posted.
Crlipman - would you be able to post the firmware versions on your Beta 2 test phone? It could prove very helpful in analyzing the continuing caller ID bug.
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