OK, forgive the newbie question, but if this phone allows a limited form of wireless web surfing, will I also be able to use some sort of instant messaging? (AOL, MSN's Instant Messenger, etc)?

At a higher level, does this phone have any advantages over the T-mobile Pocket-PC based phone/pda?

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will I also be able to use some sort of instant messaging? (AOL, MSN's Instant Messenger, etc)?

You can get the application to use AIM on your Kyocera 6035 here

At a higher level, does this phone have any advantages over the T-mobile Pocket-PC based phone/pda?

You are asking a lot of questions in that little sentence:

1. "What are the advantages of T-Mobile Service (TDMA) over Verizon/Sprint (CDMA) service?"

For general discussion of CDMA vs TDMA, check out here


T-Mobile is the American version of Deutch Telecom and has a strong digital cellular service. T-Mobile however is digital ONLY and can not roam in any other networks. Once you are out of their network, you have no service. Their coverage is also spotty, unless you are around a major city. At the same time, in a minutes-to-minutes comparison of their plans, they have the best deals. They are also in some financial trouble and it is rumored that they may be bought out by Cingular.

Verizon has strong nationwide coverage and their phones operate on both digital and analog networks. Sprint has good deals and decent nationwide coverage, but no roaming off of their network. These two companies have much better coverage nationwide than T-Mobile and have good deals for their plans.

My experience has been:
1. If you do not travel outside of a T-Mobile/VoiceStream area in your daily life, get T-Mobile.
2. If you travel at all or live somewhere with irregular coverage, go with Sprint or Verizon.
3. If you travel a lot or pass through rural areas regularly, go with Verizon.

2. "What are the advantages of PalmOS-based phones over PocketPC-based phones?"

This one could take up a lot of room, but I'll try to keep it brief. Feel free to do a SEARCH on this forum for some fairly free-ranging discussions on the subject.

Basic reasons to use Palm over PocketPC:
1. Longer battery life
2. Large installed base of applications
3. Adaptability of form factor
4. Proven track record
5. Stability
6. Focus on phone-first

Basic reasons to use PocketPC over Palm:
1. More powerful processors
2. More colorful screens
3. Backed by Microsoft
4. More memory for storage
5. Focus on PDA-first

Most people tend to like the Palm better for reasons of speed and stability. I have never heard a case where a Kyo6035 crashed in the middle of a call, interfering with the ability to use the phone. You hear about that kind of thing all the time with PocketPC phones.

3. "What spefically differentiates the Kyo6035 from the T-Mobile PocketPC other than the general stuff?"

Kyo6035: 14.4 modem which works even in analog conditions
T-Mobile: 128K modem which only works on digital networks

Kyo6035: Hard keypad for easy dialing by touch
T-Mobile: Amazing color screen and sound

Kyo6035: RLWhitt's MinuteCounter application for tracking your time online
T-Mobile: Full-color games including Doom-style first-person-shooters.

This is a long post, but I think that encapsulates most of what you need to know.

I do think there is a copy of AOL's IM program for the Palm, not sure about MSN(I try to avoid MS like the plauge). You can also get different web browsers for the 6035, just like any other palm system.

(Jon, this is no way a jab at you, I just always get sarcastic when I talk about MicroSh*t..er..I mean MicroSoft..)

Other than the fact that it is a Palm product vs Pocket-PC....lets see, processor(it doesn't need to be as fast), memory(again, doesn't need as much), and these lead to the batter life, Palm phones tend to have alot more battery life than PPC phones. Operating system...hhmm...lets see, Palm, developed just for palm computing devices vs Pocket-PC, a scaled down version of a totally over bloated operating system, from a company know for continuing need for more system resources as well as underhanded practices(got to love the one from some of the registration systems, that would send MS a list of all the programs you had installed on your system). Hmmm..can't think of any advantages over Pocket-PC, can any of you guys?

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You can do Instant Messaging on the 6035 and some other mobile PDAs and Smartphones that are currently available.

The advantages really depend on what you need.

[list=1][*]The 7135 works better as a phone first and a PDA second. The T-Mobile PocketPC phone is a PDA first and a phone second.[*]The 7135 probably has longer battery life.[*]More 3rd-party applications available for the Palm platform and therefore for the 7135.[*]The physical design of the 7135 better protects it because it is a clamshell design.[/list=1]

If you need more horsepower and better multimedia capabilities the T-Mobile phone would probably suit you better.

That's my 2 cents.

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Just to clarify, SprintPCS does allow off-network roaming. I can get Digital Roaming signals and Analog Roaming signals when I can't get a sprint signal. Though I try not to use my minutes at those times (0.69/minute for digital roaming! I don't even want to know how much analog is)

I could set my 6035 to not roam, but I like being able to at least see that people are calling me, and then find a landline to call them back if need be.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 6035 modem does not work in analog.

Correct. No current Kyocera Wireless CDMA handsets work in analog for data.

So in short the 7135 (if/when it becomes available in the Metro Atlanta area) can be made to communicate with AOL's instant messaging protocol but I better not expect any "real" internet surfing given the meager 14.4 speed.

If I went with the T-Mobile Pocket-PC/Phone I'm looking at faster download speeds but lose the clamshell form factor and at least a small amount of stability that the Palm OS provides. Plus there are some concerns about where my T-Mobile would and wouldn't work as a normal phone because it's locked into T-Mobile's digital network.

If that's an accurate summary then I thank you all for your help.

I may wait another year and let my Cingular contract end. Maybe by then Cingular will have purchased T-Mobile and phone-first Pocket PC PDA's will be stable and available...

Jon

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The 7135 is a 3G phone, so it's capable of faster speeds than 14.4. It just depends on whether the cellular network supports it or not. Verizon currently has a mix of old and new, and Sprint requires you to have one of their new Vision plans for the faster packet based (as opposed to switch based) data connection.

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So in short the 7135 (if/when it becomes available in the Metro Atlanta area) can be made to communicate with AOL's instant messaging protocol but I better not expect any "real" internet surfing given the meager 14.4 speed.

No, that was my mistake. 14.4 applies to the Kyo6035, not the Kyo7135. (Forgot which forum I was in when reading the original post.) The 7135 will be capable of full-speed 3G speeds or 14.4 speeds when dialing into a normal ISP.

And FYI, 14.4 is not bad for most of the surfing that I do on my Kyo6035. If you already have an internet connection at home and at work, you will only use your Phone Connection for "convenience issues" like looking up phone numbers, directions, etc. or for surfing while away from home.

If I went with the T-Mobile Pocket-PC/Phone...

Your T-Mobile summary is correct.

I may wait another year and let my Cingular contract end.

My recommendation is to wait, unless you need the ability to surf the Net NOW. Cingular is terrible about SmartPhones, but their penalties for getting out of a contact early are worse. I was with Cingular for two years and was never happy with their service (either signal strength or customer service).

Right now, the SmartPhone industry is experiencing considerable flux. In the next six months, so many different models are slated to come out that it is impossible to know which is the right one for you (except that everyone in this forum thinks it is the Kyoceras ). In a year, the market will have shaken out and you will have a proven track record to work with. You will be able to know exactly which phone and service will work best for you.

Hope that is helpful.

nomad7674 wrote:

"The 7135 will be capable of full-speed 3G speeds or 14.4 speeds when dialing into a normal ISP."

I've presumed till now (based on a discussion elsewhere on this board) that I would have to pay for a 3G plan (under SprintPCS) to access the Internet with the 7135. If I settle for 14.4 and use an ISP other than Sprint, will I be able get away with a non-3G plan?

Oh, and hello to everybody, new registrant here.

Welcome to the board!

This is a question we are having a hard time nailing down. I'll have to pay another visit to the Treo and Sprintuser's boards to see what people have been able to do.

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Wait, T-Mobile is capable of 128K speeds? What technology is that? That's not GPRS is it?
I haven't been keeping up with anything besides the 7135 and CDMA.

Slight correction - T-Mobile, Cingular and even parts of AT&T are GSM 1900 networks, so phones from these companies provided they are GSM) will roam on the others networks. I believe that Fido and Rogers are GSM in Canada as well, so you can roam in those networks as well.

Biggest advantage is that with a GSM phone (provided it is a world phone) will ALSO roam in Europe, most of SE Asia, and (more importantly to me) Australia.

When a GSM phone is cited as being a "tri-band" phone is is referring to GSM running over 800, 1800, and 1900 frequencies.

FWIW - I loved the GLOBAL roaming capabilities of my T68 provisioned with Cingular in SoCal. Unfortunately I need to replace that phone (they don't work too well after being washed). Since I need to get a new phone, and a new Palm, the 7135 is looking to be the ideal combo device for me needs - despite the ties to the CDMA networks (I would far prefer a GSM based device for global roaming). I am also a BREW developer, and appreciate the benefits that CDMA provides