I have not seen a concise post on getting a subsidy-locked Sprint 6035 to work on a Verizon CDMA 800 MHz network, so here is a mini-HOWTO, hope it helps:
Background: I purchased two of the coveted, $150 after $100 gift card rebate, OfficeMax Sprint QCP-6035s last week. I already had a Verizon account (using my old PDQ 800 brick) and wanted to stick with it.
Steps:
1. I called Sprint at 1-888-715-4588 via my landline, told them I wanted to activate my 6035, that I had bought two of them used, gave them all my personal info for the credit check, and they warned me that I would need to pay an activation fee of about $35 (non-refundable, even if the phones "did not work"). Once my account was activated it was time for them to "help me" program my phone.
They gave me the first code. I told them it did not work, they gave me the a second code. I can't recall which is the "Service Code" (SC) and which is the "Field Service Code" (FSC), but the only code I wanted was the second one that they gave me, because this code is also the "One Time Subsidy Lock Code". I told them this second code did not work, just for kicks.
I repeated the process with my second 6035, told them I was giving up, cancelled my service, and hung-up with Sprint.
By the by, I tried the "social engineering" alternative to try to get Sprint to give me the unlock codes, but without having a Sprint account this proved to be quite impossible. If I had had a friend with a Sprint account I could have masqueraded as him (if I had his info) and gotten the codes by telling Sprint that I had a new phone I wanted to program. I was really not too worried about the $35 though in the overall scheme of things.
2. With the codes in hand it was time to actually program my phones. Press 111111 on the keypad, click the jog dial, scroll to "Programming", and click the jog again. Enter the second code given by Sprint. Click on "More", select "General" from the dropdown at the ULHC of the screen. Put in "000000" for the SC and the FSC (over-the-air (OTA) Verizon programming will not work if you use codes other than "000000" [thanks to Al Klein for this info]). The "Lock Code" here is just the phone lock code that protects the phone from being used by unauthorized callers as far as I know.
UNCHECK the "One Time Subsidy Lock" checkbox. Click "Save & Exit" and now the phone is in your full control forever more.
3. This is optional I assume, but I then upgraded the phone and palm firmware to KC 1.0.10 and SX 1.0.11 thanks to some of the info in this forum (downloads, and links to Kyocera PDF docs that walk one through the flashing process). I have not tested every feature of my phone yet, so I am not certain these upgrades were wise, any who.
4. Re-enter programming mode using your code and click on "More". Here are the changes I made (I copied the setting from my old Verizon phone by entering into the programming mode for the old phone which revealed all of the settings I needed, and some that I may not have needed):
---
General
Carrier Name: NAM1
Directory No.: My existing Verizon account phone number
Phone Number: My existing Verizon account phone number
Country Code: 000
AMPS
AMPS Home SID: My existing Verizon account SID
System
#1-5 SID: My existing Verizon account #1-5 SID
#1-5 NID: My existing Verizon account #1-5 NID
Preferred Mode: Cellular CDMA Only (because Verizon is on the 800 MHz freq. in my town, this may vary in your area)
---
You can get SIDs and NIDs for your area Here [thanks to Al Klein for this info]
All other setting I left as-is (Sprint defaults).
5. Update the PRL, I do not know if this was required, but dialing *228, and selecting option 2, gave me an updated PRL. The PRL is a table that tells the phone which cell towers to use when roaming.
6. Call up Verizon at 1-888-466-4646 to activate my new equipment, all they need is my account info and the "Equipment Serial Number" (ESN). Two minutes later I was off the phone with the account service guy, and was then transferred to the progrmming department at Verizon.
7. Per the instructions of Verizon's programming dept., I programmed my phone over the air by calling *228, selecting option 1, listen to some elevator music while data is sent to my phone, get verbal pre-recorded confirmation that programming is complete.
8. Yer done, use the phone. You might notice that in programming mode that some of the settings have been changed, this is due to the Verizon over-the-air programming. This is desirable. Most noticeably the "Preferred Mode" gets set back to "Automatic". Changing the Sprint splash banner and some other odds and ends are only aesthetic issues that can be handled quite easily by following other tips and FAQs.
thanks for the great faq. i wonder if you might be willing to post your phone's amps and cdma settings? i realize they are unique to your verizon market, but are crucial in order to guarantee that one contacts verizon vice sprint when one dials *228. it sounds as if these "good enough" values that you might be post are replaced when the phone is officially programmed over the air anyway. this would help someone like me, a sprint user, who would like to gove verizon a try but who has no current verizon phone to copy settings from. thanks!
paul
p.s. alternatively, could you make available a kwpst .qcn file for your phone? this is basically a snapshot of its configuration. since it is a text file, you could edit out your phone number, msl (if it is even put in the file -- i doubt it) and esn (again, i don't think this is in a qcn). that way people who wanted to get strated on verizon could just use your qcn file to easily program in the basic verizon settings.
thanks for the great faq. i wonder if you might be willing to post your phone's amps and cdma settings? i realize they are unique to your verizon market, but are crucial in order to guarantee that one contacts verizon vice sprint when one dials *228.
Paul, you can just put in the Verizon SID and set the phone to no-roam. That'll force it to Verizon. (You might also have to use *22800 or *22801, instead of *228.)
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it sounds as if these "good enough" values that you might be post are replaced when the phone is officially programmed over the air anyway.
If you program the SID and phone number, and download a PRL, the phone is programmed. No harm in letting the OTA s/w reprogram it, though.
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this would help someone like me, a sprint user, who would like to gove verizon a try but who has no current verizon phone to copy settings from.
All you need is your SID (NID is 65535). You can get it HERE
You DO have to set your SPC and FPC to 6 0s, or Verizon's OTA won't work, and in most markets Verizon has to put your ESN into the database for it to work.
hi, what if I wanted to unlock phone and keep it with sprint.
and continue using the phone with sprint...
what are the necessary changes do i still do the all 111111 or 000000?
heres what i understand uncheck the one time lock...
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Originally posted by burval I have not seen a concise post on getting a subsidy-locked Sprint 6035 to work on a Verizon CDMA 800 MHz network, so here is a mini-HOWTO, hope it helps:
Background: I purchased two of the coveted, 0 after 0 gift card rebate, OfficeMax Sprint QCP-6035s last week. I already had a Verizon account (using my old PDQ 800 brick) and wanted to stick with it.
Steps:
1. I called Sprint at 1-888-715-4588 via my landline, told them I wanted to activate my 6035, that I had bought two of them used, gave them all my personal info for the credit check, and they warned me that I would need to pay an activation fee of about (non-refundable, even if the phones "did not work"). Once my account was activated it was time for them to "help me" program my phone.
They gave me the first code. I told them it did not work, they gave me the a second code. I can't recall which is the "Service Code" (SC) and which is the "Field Service Code" (FSC), but the only code I wanted was the second one that they gave me, because this code is also the "One Time Subsidy Lock Code". I told them this second code did not work, just for kicks.
I repeated the process with my second 6035, told them I was giving up, cancelled my service, and hung-up with Sprint.
By the by, I tried the "social engineering" alternative to try to get Sprint to give me the unlock codes, but without having a Sprint account this proved to be quite impossible. If I had had a friend with a Sprint account I could have masqueraded as him (if I had his info) and gotten the codes by telling Sprint that I had a new phone I wanted to program. I was really not too worried about the though in the overall scheme of things.
2. With the codes in hand it was time to actually program my phones. Press 111111 on the keypad, click the jog dial, scroll to "Programming", and click the jog again. Enter the second code given by Sprint. Click on "More", select "General" from the dropdown at the ULHC of the screen. Put in "000000" for the SC and the FSC (over-the-air (OTA) Verizon programming will not work if you use codes other than "000000" [thanks to Al Klein for this info]). The "Lock Code" here is just the phone lock code that protects the phone from being used by unauthorized callers as far as I know.
UNCHECK the "One Time Subsidy Lock" checkbox. Click "Save & Exit" and now the phone is in your full control forever more.
3. This is optional I assume, but I then upgraded the phone and palm firmware to KC 1.0.10 and SX 1.0.11 thanks to some of the info in this forum (downloads, and links to Kyocera PDF docs that walk one through the flashing process). I have not tested every feature of my phone yet, so I am not certain these upgrades were wise, any who.
4. Re-enter programming mode using your code and click on "More". Here are the changes I made (I copied the setting from my old Verizon phone by entering into the programming mode for the old phone which revealed all of the settings I needed, and some that I may not have needed):
---
General
Carrier Name: NAM1
Directory No.: My existing Verizon account phone number
Phone Number: My existing Verizon account phone number
Country Code: 000
AMPS
AMPS Home SID: My existing Verizon account SID
System
#1-5 SID: My existing Verizon account #1-5 SID
#1-5 NID: My existing Verizon account #1-5 NID
Preferred Mode: Cellular CDMA Only (because Verizon is on the 800 MHz freq. in my town, this may vary in your area)
---
You can get SIDs and NIDs for your area Here [thanks to Al Klein for this info]
All other setting I left as-is (Sprint defaults).
5. Update the PRL, I do not know if this was required, but dialing *228, and selecting option 2, gave me an updated PRL. The PRL is a table that tells the phone which cell towers to use when roaming.
6. Call up Verizon at 1-888-466-4646 to activate my new equipment, all they need is my account info and the "Equipment Serial Number" (ESN). Two minutes later I was off the phone with the account service guy, and was then transferred to the progrmming department at Verizon.
7. Per the instructions of Verizon's programming dept., I programmed my phone over the air by calling *228, selecting option 1, listen to some elevator music while data is sent to my phone, get verbal pre-recorded confirmation that programming is complete.
8. Yer done, use the phone. You might notice that in programming mode that some of the settings have been changed, this is due to the Verizon over-the-air programming. This is desirable. Most noticeably the "Preferred Mode" gets set back to "Automatic". Changing the Sprint splash banner and some other odds and ends are only aesthetic issues that can be handled quite easily by following other tips and FAQs.
i purchased a 6035 Sprint based and want to use Verizon.
I followed the instructions on your email. I dialed in 111111 on the keyboard and I get options
which I clicked on, and I scrolled to programming and
selected it and then it says to open the Flip and it asks for the code.
I entered the unlock code(six digits)and
it responds "incorrect service programming code".
Originally posted by guillame i purchased a 6035 Sprint based and want to use Verizon.
I followed the instructions on your email. I dialed in 111111 on the keyboard and I get options
which I clicked on, and I scrolled to programming and
selected it and then it says to open the Flip and it asks for the code.
I entered the unlock code(six digits)and
it responds "incorrect service programming code".
Any ideas anyone has will be appreciated.
Bill
It means exactly what it says - either you entered the code incorrectly, or you got the wrong code.
Your post, William an Klein were very helpul in getting my sprint 6035 to work on Verizon.
Biggest problem was I got the wrong lock code and this was rectified.
Originally posted by kingston I tried the unlock code '111111' and '000000' Both do not work. Any suggestions
Yes, get an unlock code from Sprint. "111111" gets you into the programming menu, it is not an unlock code (well, there is a one in one-million chance that it is). I think you need to re-read the how-to.
Hey Burvel, do you happen to remember the code they gave you to get into service programming? If so, please let me know so i can try it on my phone. Thanks
Originally posted by kingston Hey Burvel, do you happen to remember the code they gave you to get into service programming? If so, please let me know so i can try it on my phone. Thanks
No, sorry. Considering there are one-million possible codes (000000-999999) I would plan on calling Sprint rather than going with the process of elimination via trying other's codes, that is if you want to use your phone before cell phones become obsolete.
You could save the $35 that you will need to pay Sprint if you do not already have an account by entering 100 codes per day in sequential order, in a little over 27 years you will hit all one-million possibilities, (although your phone will probably break from the 6 million required key-presses first). Having someone elses code (mine or otherwise) will not improve your chances any more than having last week's lotto numbers will help you win next weeks lotto.
Just got the '35. Called Sprint, they provide only ONE code for the phone. Trying to enter this code in after the service has been setup does *not* work. I am not sure where this 2nd "good" code comes into play, but entering the one that was provided to me over the phone results in "incorrect sec ID" message.
Why is this so difficult to change from Sprint to Verizon? Can't i just call Verizon and have them switch it over?
Originally posted by unity Just got the '35. Called Sprint, they provide only ONE code for the phone. Trying to enter this code in after the service has been setup does *not* work. I am not sure where this 2nd "good" code comes into play, but entering the one that was provided to me over the phone results in "incorrect sec ID" message.
Why is this so difficult to change from Sprint to Verizon? Can't i just call Verizon and have them switch it over?
You need the second code, like I stated in my "How To", you need the tell them "the first code did not work."
The reason it is a pain to switch is because Sprint wants it to be. Sprint does not want to sell you a phone at a discount (discount given because they expect income from you vie the service you pay them for) and have you walk over to Verizon--which would equal a net loss for Sprint. Subsidy locks help eliminate this problem Sprint would have, and/or vice versa.
Originally posted by burval You need the second code, like I stated in my "How To", you need the tell them "the first code did not work."
Thanks for the reply Burval. But after saying the first code did not work they just told me to return the phone (?). Subsequently i activated the phone with the first and now the 1st code will not work. Perhaps i could try switching the phone number and see if i can go through the steps again? I've been reading all the stuff on both this and the PDABuzz forums i can, but i just don't seem to be getting the responses i'm expecting from the phone reps.
Ok... i *think* i got it. Got the 2 codes from Sprint, reprogrammed the info according to the first post, cancelled the Sprint account, and went through the motions with Verizon for setup...
subsequently i got "Welcome to PCS Roaming. To pay by credit card, press 1, to pay by..." whenever i attempt to make a call. I assume this means i'm still on Sprint? One catch... i did not set the SC and FSC codes to 0's until after the setup. The rep did not say anything about it there being a problem and after setting up the account i went back and entered the codes just as in the above instructions (SC/FSC/CC). Figuring Verizon might be able to reprogram the phone remotely, i called tech support and sure enough, they did! Everything appears to work great now, with the strange exception that i cannot dial from the external keypad - the phone tries to Save or Find entry vs actually dialing. Tech Support was stumped and recommended i do a hard reset, but i'd rather not do that for what appears to merely a configuration issue. The virtual keypad works fine and i can receive calls perfectly.
Originally posted by burval I have not seen a concise post on getting a subsidy-locked Sprint 6035 to work on a Verizon CDMA 800 MHz network, so here is a mini-HOWTO, hope it helps:
Background: I purchased two of the coveted, $150 after $100 gift card rebate, OfficeMax Sprint QCP-6035s last week. I already had a Verizon account
This route worked for me. I have activated my Sprint version Kyocera 6035 with Verizon. And done this for two friends as well.
First I obtained the lock codes from Sprint. The first time is set up a new account with Sprint that I eventually cancelled the next day. The other two phone were activated using a friends sprint account. We told them we were upgrading to the Kyocera phones. We were given the lock codes. Each phone has it's own lock code, that can NOT be used on other phones.
Turn the phone on. Type 111111 and then press the wheel in that is on the left hand side of the phone.
Scroll down to programming, and press the wheel again. The phone will ask you to open the fip. Take the stylis and type in the six digit code that sprint gave you.
In the space labeled "phone number" highlight the existing number and then open the numeric key pad. Replace this number with your "Verizon" phone number. Press ok to enter the phone number, but do not save and exit yet.
Next in the upper right hand corner press the icon (labeled more I believe) with the stylis. It should open a drop down menu, click on the general tab. You should see a section named "service code" and "field service code", reset these to 000000. Six zeros is the generic code verizon uses for over the air programming. There is a country code, set this to 000. There was also an area labeled service provider that was labeled sprint, I switched these to say "Verizon" (I'm not sure that was necessary). After you make these changes uncheck the "one time subsidy lock" check box. Then hit save and exit.
Finally dial *22801 (I dialed this in the Seattle, WA area), when promted dial "1", for over the air programming. You will hear music and then be notified that your programming is completed. Now your phone should be up and running under Verizon
Originally posted by burval I have not seen a concise post on getting a subsidy-locked Sprint 6035 to work on a Verizon CDMA 800 MHz network, so here is a mini-HOWTO, hope it helps:
Background: I purchased two of the coveted, 0 after 0 gift card rebate, OfficeMax Sprint QCP-6035s last week. I already had a Verizon account (using my old PDQ 800 brick) and wanted to stick with it.
Steps:
1. I called Sprint at 1-888-715-4588 via my landline, told them I wanted to activate my 6035, that I had bought two of them used, gave them all my personal info for the credit check, and they warned me that I would need to pay an activation fee of about (non-refundable, even if the phones "did not work"). Once my account was activated it was time for them to "help me" program my phone.
They gave me the first code. I told them it did not work, they gave me the a second code. I can't recall which is the "Service Code" (SC) and which is the "Field Service Code" (FSC), but the only code I wanted was the second one that they gave me, because this code is also the "One Time Subsidy Lock Code". I told them this second code did not work, just for kicks.
I repeated the process with my second 6035, told them I was giving up, cancelled my service, and hung-up with Sprint.
By the by, I tried the "social engineering" alternative to try to get Sprint to give me the unlock codes, but without having a Sprint account this proved to be quite impossible. If I had had a friend with a Sprint account I could have masqueraded as him (if I had his info) and gotten the codes by telling Sprint that I had a new phone I wanted to program. I was really not too worried about the though in the overall scheme of things.
2. With the codes in hand it was time to actually program my phones. Press 111111 on the keypad, click the jog dial, scroll to "Programming", and click the jog again. Enter the second code given by Sprint. Click on "More", select "General" from the dropdown at the ULHC of the screen. Put in "000000" for the SC and the FSC (over-the-air (OTA) Verizon programming will not work if you use codes other than "000000" [thanks to Al Klein for this info]). The "Lock Code" here is just the phone lock code that protects the phone from being used by unauthorized callers as far as I know.
UNCHECK the "One Time Subsidy Lock" checkbox. Click "Save & Exit" and now the phone is in your full control forever more.
3. This is optional I assume, but I then upgraded the phone and palm firmware to KC 1.0.10 and SX 1.0.11 thanks to some of the info in this forum (downloads, and links to Kyocera PDF docs that walk one through the flashing process). I have not tested every feature of my phone yet, so I am not certain these upgrades were wise, any who.
4. Re-enter programming mode using your code and click on "More". Here are the changes I made (I copied the setting from my old Verizon phone by entering into the programming mode for the old phone which revealed all of the settings I needed, and some that I may not have needed):
---
General
Carrier Name: NAM1
Directory No.: My existing Verizon account phone number
Phone Number: My existing Verizon account phone number
Country Code: 000
AMPS
AMPS Home SID: My existing Verizon account SID
System
#1-5 SID: My existing Verizon account #1-5 SID
#1-5 NID: My existing Verizon account #1-5 NID
Preferred Mode: Cellular CDMA Only (because Verizon is on the 800 MHz freq. in my town, this may vary in your area)
---
You can get SIDs and NIDs for your area Here [thanks to Al Klein for this info]
All other setting I left as-is (Sprint defaults).
5. Update the PRL, I do not know if this was required, but dialing *228, and selecting option 2, gave me an updated PRL. The PRL is a table that tells the phone which cell towers to use when roaming.
6. Call up Verizon at 1-888-466-4646 to activate my new equipment, all they need is my account info and the "Equipment Serial Number" (ESN). Two minutes later I was off the phone with the account service guy, and was then transferred to the progrmming department at Verizon.
7. Per the instructions of Verizon's programming dept., I programmed my phone over the air by calling *228, selecting option 1, listen to some elevator music while data is sent to my phone, get verbal pre-recorded confirmation that programming is complete.
8. Yer done, use the phone. You might notice that in programming mode that some of the settings have been changed, this is due to the Verizon over-the-air programming. This is desirable. Most noticeably the "Preferred Mode" gets set back to "Automatic". Changing the Sprint splash banner and some other odds and ends are only aesthetic issues that can be handled quite easily by following other tips and FAQs.
Help!!! I did this but only changed phone numbers sc and fc codes, forgot the rest is there a way to get back in? My original codes will not work just leaving it blank get me only part way in. I already have a verizon account and just want to use my 6035 on it. Thanks for the help
[quote:12f13d3a12]Originally posted by burval:
[b]I have not seen a concise post on getting a subsidy-locked Sprint 6035 to work on a Verizon CDMA 800 MHz network, so here is a mini-HOWTO, hope it helps:
Background: I purchased two of the coveted, 0 after 0 gift card rebate, OfficeMax Sprint QCP-6035s last week. I already had a Verizon account (using my old PDQ 800 brick) and wanted to stick with it.
Steps:
1. I called Sprint at 1-888-715-4588 via my landline, told them I wanted to activate my 6035, that I had bought two of them used, gave them all my personal info for the credit check, and they warned me that I would need to pay an activation fee of about (non-refundable, even if the phones "did not work"). Once my account was activated it was time for them to "help me" program my phone.
They gave me the first code. I told them it did not work, they gave me the a second code. I can't recall which is the "Service Code" (SC) and which is the "Field Service Code" (FSC), but the only code I wanted was the second one that they gave me, because this code is also the "One Time Subsidy Lock Code". I told them this second code did not work, just for kicks.
I repeated the process with my second 6035, told them I was giving up, cancelled my service, and hung-up with Sprint.
By the by, I tried the "social engineering" alternative to try to get Sprint to give me the unlock codes, but without having a Sprint account this proved to be quite impossible. If I had had a friend with a Sprint account I could have masqueraded as him (if I had his info) and gotten the codes by telling Sprint that I had a new phone I wanted to program. I was really not too worried about the though in the overall scheme of things.
2. With the codes in hand it was time to actually program my phones. Press 111111 on the keypad, click the jog dial, scroll to "Programming", and click the jog again. Enter the second code given by Sprint. Click on "More", select "General" from the dropdown at the ULHC of the screen. Put in "000000" for the SC and the FSC (over-the-air (OTA) Verizon programming will not work if you use codes other than "000000" [thanks to Al Klein for this info]). The "Lock Code" here is just the phone lock code that protects the phone from being used by unauthorized callers as far as I know.
UNCHECK the "One Time Subsidy Lock" checkbox. Click "Save & Exit" and now the phone is in your full control forever more.
3. This is optional I assume, but I then upgraded the phone and palm firmware to KC 1.0.10 and SX 1.0.11 thanks to some of the info in this forum (downloads, and links to Kyocera PDF docs that walk one through the flashing process). I have not tested every feature of my phone yet, so I am not certain these upgrades were wise, any who.
4. Re-enter programming mode using your code and click on "More". Here are the changes I made (I copied the setting from my old Verizon phone by entering into the programming mode for the old phone which revealed all of the settings I needed, and some that I may not have needed):
---
General
Carrier Name: NAM1
Directory No.: My existing Verizon account phone number
Phone Number: My existing Verizon account phone number
Country Code: 000
AMPS
AMPS Home SID: My existing Verizon account SID
System
#1-5 SID: My existing Verizon account #1-5 SID
#1-5 NID: My existing Verizon account #1-5 NID
Preferred Mode: Cellular CDMA Only (because Verizon is on the 800 MHz freq. in my town, this may vary in your area)
---
You can get SIDs and NIDs for your area Here [thanks to Al Klein for this info]
All other setting I left as-is (Sprint defaults).
5. Update the PRL, I do not know if this was required, but dialing *228, and selecting option 2, gave me an updated PRL. The PRL is a table that tells the phone which cell towers to use when roaming.
6. Call up Verizon at 1-888-466-4646 to activate my new equipment, all they need is my account info and the "Equipment Serial Number" (ESN). Two minutes later I was off the phone with the account service guy, and was then transferred to the progrmming department at Verizon.
7. Per the instructions of Verizon's programming dept., I programmed my phone over the air by calling *228, selecting option 1, listen to some elevator music while data is sent to my phone, get verbal pre-recorded confirmation that programming is complete.
8. Yer done, use the phone. You might notice that in programming mode that some of the settings have been changed, this is due to the Verizon over-the-air programming. This is desirable. Most noticeably the "Preferred Mode" gets set back to "Automatic". Changing the Sprint splash banner and some other odds and ends are only aesthetic issues that can be handled quite easily by following other tips and FAQs.
Hats off to BURVAL. You guidance worked like a charm!! Just a note: The very nice NEW customer service rep at Sprint who got stuck working on Christmas was very helpful. She gave the first set of numbers (Oh my gosh, they didn't work!! :-þ )She provided a second set of numbers and they didn't work either. When I finally got home, I tried entering in the second set of numbers, and it REALLY didn't work. I then, CAREFULLY, entered the first set, and lo and behold, it worked. The problem was that I was not hitting the numbers quite correctly. Be sure to run the digitizer program beforehand to avoid this problem
Once again, HAT OFF TO BUVAL!!
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