Well that's good to know. I Just looked last night. i googled 'verizon smt5800' and that popped up. so i figured i would post. Does any body know if it is the S710 or S720. It looks like the 710 to me.
I dont know.
73's
W1MAK out.........
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Before long, we shouldn't have to wait for Verizon to "approve" the phones and we should be able to get phones like the 5800 straight from the manufacturer months (or years) before Verizon releases them on their network. You have to give Verizon credit for this move. I'm assuming it was proactive as the FCC chair seems bent on improving consumer rights with the cell phone companies.
Looks like they will be doing a business launch first. Anyone know how long it usually takes Verizon to sell a device to us nonbusiness customers after the business customers get it?
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No I Beleive it's the s720 but in a different shell than qwest.
Look at bell wireless in canada HTC 5800
Now Look at Qwest https://shop.qwest.com/en/US/wireless/service
Same Phone different Cases. I Beleive verizon is gettin the s720 in the same case that bell has
On the phone with a PDA/Smartphone specialist from Verizon. I just went over with her the specs of the SMT5800/HTCLibra/PLS5800. The phone was NOT manufactured with the capabilities to support wi-fi. I just read the owner manual from UT Startcom and there is no mention of wi-fi. Unless there is something out there I do not know, I think this should put to rest any wi-fi disputes concerning the phone.
I was advised that phonescoop.com was the best website to refer to when finding information regarding PDA/Smartphones. The user manual for the 5800 can be found at: UTStarcom
None of these phones are the same...and that means that Verizons SMT5800 is neither an HTC710/730 nor is it a PLS5800. Anyone out there have a clue as to what phone this is? I am waiting to hear back from the PDA specialists I spoke with earlier. I will update when I hear back from her.
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Ok, I still havent spoken with Verizon yet, but I think I have it figured out. I downloaded the user manual from the UTStarcom website, and it is exactly the same as the one from Bellwireless's website. However the 5800 from Bellwireless, which is named the HTC5800 and listed on HTC's website, not only looks different than the PLS5800 on UTStarcom's website, but it is also made by UTStarcom! It would seem that both UTStarcom and HTC are getting their phones from the same place and making minor changes to the looks of the phone. Well I am sure this has further confused some because I still dont fully understand this...
Either way I think it is pretty clear that the phone was not manufactured to have wi-fi so lets not blame the wireless carriers.
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I am almost 100% the phone Verizon will launch is the HTC5800. The HTC5800 is neither a HTCS710/720/730, HTC Libra, nor PLS5800. The HTC5800 was manufactured without wi-fi and its specs can be viewed here: HTC: Products: HTC 5800 (Bell) Features & Specs
This should end all confusion concerning the phone.
None of these phones are the same...and that means that Verizons SMT5800 is neither an HTC710/730 nor is it a PLS5800. Anyone out there have a clue as to what phone this is?
Verizon's SMT5800 is HTC's S720. There are two external casings available from HTC for carriers for the S720, one that has the more "rounded" appearance of the original S710 Vox and one that has the more "rectangular" appearance. The more rounded version is offered by Bell, the more rectangular is offered by Qwest.
The HTC S710 is the original GSM version of the S720. As is HTC's typical pattern when designing a CDMA variant of an existing GSM phone, the CDMA version is upgraded in some manner, and then the upgrades are incorporated, and often expanded upon in a newer version of the GSM original, hence the S710, S720 and S730 (they do the exact same thing with the PPC/XV6800 which technilogically slots in between the original Titan/8525 and the newer Kaiser/Tilt/8925). Here, HTC's S710 was upgraded in Processor to become the S720 (which is Verizon's SMT5800), while the S730 has the upgraded Processor of the S730.
You are absolutely correct in this instance in that HTC's S720 was never built with WiFi, whereas the original S710 and the newly available S730 do have WiFi. There is no possible software fix or hack to get WiFi on the S720/SMT5800. There is/will be a hardware fix in that MicroSD WiFi cards will work on it that are currently being released.
The UTStarcom / HTC issue has already been addressed, but basically, UTStarcom is a distributor that sells to carriers, like Verizon. It is essentially a middleman between Verizon and HTC. UTStarcom does not manufacture the phones. HTC's initial niche was as a designer of phones for carriers that would carry the carriers own label. In the past few years, as HTC has become more desirous of branding, it has been more and more willing to deal directly with carriers.
Now, if someone would only please get some idea of release date from Verizon. PLEASE!!!
Verizon's SMT5800 is HTC's S720. There are two external casings available from HTC for carriers for the S720, one that has the more "rounded" appearance of the original S710 Vox and one that has the more "rectangular" appearance. The more rounded version is offered by Bell, the more rectangular is offered by Qwest.
Thanks for all the good info! I am trying to get a release date but have came across nothing more than speculation to its release being the end of November.
In response to this quote, I am having a hard time believing this because I just went through the user manual for both the S720(Quest) and the HTC5800(Bell). They are seemingly the same phone, but the 720 has more ram/rom and it doesnt have a Java feature like the 5800. What is even more interesting is the fact that HTC lists on its website that the 720 has "ROM: 256MB, RAM: 64MB" and the user manual for the 5800 state the LIBR100 (which is the model number for both devices) has "• ROM-Nand Flash: 128 MB (Standard) • RAM: 64 MB DDR." This would prove that the two "Libras" from Quest and Bell are in fact different. You say that the two phones are S720s but the Bell manual gives specs of a HTC5800(Bell). Furthermore, the HTC website depicts two versions of the HTC5800. One version has more ram/rom, a "rectangular" appearance, and is used by Quest, the other has less ram/rom, a "rounded" appearance, and is used by Bell.
That being said, how do you know the SMT5800 is the HTC720 wrapped in a different coat? The picture of the HTC5800(Bell) looks identical to the one Verizon has showed. Who is to say its not the S730 (wouldnt that be sweet!) isnt wrapped in a different shell? Perhaps verizon will get the HTC5800 that quest has, but then it wouldnt look like the picture Verizon has been showing off.
Thanks for all the good info! I am trying to get a release date but have came across nothing more than speculation to its release being the end of November.
In response to this quote, I am having a hard time believing this because I just went through the user manual for both the S720(Quest) and the HTC5800(Bell). They are seemingly the same phone, but the 720 has more ram/rom and it doesnt have a Java feature like the 5800. What is even more interesting is the fact that HTC lists on its website that the 720 has "ROM: 256MB, RAM: 64MB" and the user manual for the 5800 state the LIBR100 (which is the model number for both devices) has "• ROM-Nand Flash: 128 MB (Standard) • RAM: 64 MB DDR." This would prove that the two "Libras" from Quest and Bell are in fact different. You say that the two phones are S720s but the Bell manual gives specs of a HTC5800(Bell). Furthermore, the HTC website depicts two versions of the HTC5800. One version has more ram/rom, a "rectangular" appearance, and is used by Quest, the other has less ram/rom, a "rounded" appearance, and is used by Bell.
That being said, how do you know the SMT5800 is the HTC720 wrapped in a different coat? The picture of the HTC5800(Bell) looks identical to the one Verizon has showed. Who is to say its not the S730 (wouldnt that be sweet!) isnt wrapped in a different shell? Perhaps verizon will get the HTC5800 that quest has, but then it wouldnt look like the picture Verizon has been showing off.
It is known for a fact that the smt5800 is not the S730 1: the 730 has a second small camera on the front for video conference. 2: it is gsm not cdma. 3: mainly ment for europe like the S710 was when it came out (My own speculation)
Also if your look at verizons site. and bell Canada's site the phones look identical. maybe different memory options for different carriers i can't wait to buy the damn thing.
I'm a current XV6700 user looking to move to a new Smartphone by the end of the year. I'm leaning towards the 5800 mainly for its smaller form factor, though I would probably then have to spring for an unlimited data plan with VZW due to the lack of wi-fi (I had been considering adding the plan for use with my 6700 anyway though, since wi-fi is not quite ubiquitous yet ). I'd like to wait until I can see all three of the i760, 6800, and 5800 in store so I can do at least a basic hands-on comparison though. Anyone else in the same boat?
I'm a current XV6700 user looking to move to a new Smartphone by the end of the year. I'm leaning towards the 5800 mainly for its smaller form factor, though I would probably then have to spring for an unlimited data plan with VZW due to the lack of wi-fi (I had been considering adding the plan for use with my 6700 anyway though, since wi-fi is not quite ubiquitous yet ). I'd like to wait until I can see all three of the i760, 6800, and 5800 in store so I can do at least a basic hands-on comparison though. Anyone else in the same boat?
I You want to play with all three right now before they are all out on verizon do what i did. Go to the verizon store and play with the i760. then find your local qwest wireless store to play with the 6800 and the 5800. the have them both. although the only place i found a qwest store was in our malls. idk about you. GL though
Go to the verizon store and play with the i760. then find your local qwest wireless store to play with the 6800 and the 5800.
Thanks for the suggestion! Unfortunately there are no Qwest Wireless stores near me (I live in Chicago). So I guess I will have to wait until all the phones appear at the VZW stores.
Logged onto my verizon account and checked to see if they had the phone and indeed they did (with their im now assuming standard price glitch) the phone originally is 349.99 so...
$349.99
-$100.00 Online Discount
-$100.00 New Every Two
-$100.00 Advance Device Discount
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$49.99 Sub-total
+ $3.00 Tax
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$52.99 Total
the glitch is in the online and NE2 discounts. your not supposed to have both just one or the other...
Can't beat that. My Only Question is With my plan if i get unlimited data for surfing the web or just email and what not. We'll see and when i get the phone then i'll call verizon and deal with that ****
XH3DX,
That's great and Verizon ships pretty fast. Please, please, please let us know what you think. You'll probably be one of the first ones out of the gate.
I ordered mine today and will recieve tomorrow. I'm looking forward to checking it out. It does apparently allow you to use up to an 8GB micro SD card.
Does anyone know what GPS navigation software will work on this device. Currently using Tom Tom on my i730 and from what I can tell so far, only CoPilot Navigator 7 is compatible.
tomtom DOES NOT work on the smartphone os units. supposedly people have gotten tomtom navigator6 to work but can never explain how... i have tomtom nav5 sitting in a box that i used on my i730 since it doesnt work on the q/q9m.
I ordered an SMT5800 last night as well (sight unseen, contradicting my earlier intention to compare it with the XV6800 and i760 in store first ). Like xh3dx, I got both the online and NE2 discounts. My total cost came to $99.99 + tax; my NE2 discount was only $50 because I was on one of the lower calling plans. I did have to upgrade to a PDA/smartphone plan with the new phone.
I'll share my impressions after I receive my new toy, I mean, communication device.
I just got mine this morning along with an extended battery. The screen is very nice, and the phone itself fits very comfortably in the hand. The extended battery does add quite a bit of bulk to it though.
My main concern is the the MicroSD slot does not have any type of door or cover over it. I'm worried that my 8GB may go missing at some point...
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I just got mine this morning along with an extended battery. The screen is very nice, and the phone itself fits very comfortably in the hand. The extended battery does add quite a bit of bulk to it though.
My main concern is the the MicroSD slot does not have any type of door or cover over it. I'm worried that my 8GB may go missing at some point...
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I ordered mine today and will recieve tomorrow.
How Did you Guys get your phones so fast. when i track my order it says "we have received your order" but nothing else and it said estimated time when i ordered of 2-5 days (i think that was shipping though)
). I'd like to wait until I can see all three of the i760, 6800, and 5800 in store so I can do at least a basic hands-on comparison though. Anyone else in the same boat?
Just ordered my SMT5800
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