At least you explained why you got it in the first place, alabij. I'm not defending the h6315... it is obvious that the luster wore off within one month of its release. Like I said, I have moved on also.

Supposedly, HP is working on the next generation HP PDAphone. Who knows what it will be. I don't like the fact that HP went to great lengths to keep this a secret and then when it came out it got panned... gee, no user feedback? Bad ratings? Bad process? Anyone? The h6315 has put a big wedge into what used to be a great working relationship with HP.

Anyway, I guess I just don't like people coming into the forums and taking a pot shot without at least identifying what they are shooting at. Some features still don't work correctly or are poorly implemented. (That pretty much goes for all PDAphones.) Many people are still using their h6315's without much of a problem because they were able to adapt and overcome. Some of those people did so with our help. We are here to help.

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I agree with you jpmihalk. However, I think it is a valid point that people have explained and explained the probs and shortcomings of the 6315 that when someone gets on and says POS - Everyone pretty much knows what they mean.

I still prefer to explain things myself. However, if you noticed, some people come on here and simply say, Great device, the best I have had, etc... No real details about why they feel that way.

It doesn't bother me either way, but I agree with your point...

P.S. you said people are still using their 6315 without probs due to overcoming and adapting and some of those people had help from this forum.. I am using mine and I am asking for help... I listed a fair amount of probs in my earlier message on this thread and have not heard anyone mention a possible remedy to the freezes, BT, etc.. I don't mean that statement in a smart a** way, I am just asking for help IF there is any that can solve some of these issues.

Thanks..

The battery was great on the H6315, but if you left wifi up all day it would not make it through the day.

Sounds like you have the standard memory management issues of a Pocket PC. The more apps you have running (and the more automation you are using) the more memory you are using. What apps did you load since getting it? Do you use a memory manager app like HandySwitcher that allows you to REALLY close apps instead of the tapping on "X" and the app runs in the background? Do you have Today plugins that are trying to connect to the internet every so often? Did you load apps into Main Memory or into the iPAQ File Store (good) or to SD card (better)? All of those suggestions can help make your experience more manageable.

As far as Bluetooth goes, yeah, it isn't perfect at all. In fact, it's sometimes unusable. I have used a Jabra BT200 and a Motorola HS820 with my h6315 and they both paired (after a bit of a wait) and worked. The new BT drivers in some of the threads from mswlogo can help stabilize the BT stack and connect more reliably.

Anyway, I hope this helps.

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wolf crying does not help. Actually it hurts your progress.

fix what you can and move on.

I just want to point out that BLUETOOTH in itself is pretty unstable and unreliable not to mention unsevure. The BT standard still has some major tweaking to do. So the BT issue though significantly apparent on the 6315 is not unique to the device.

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What I placed on the device was Microsoft Voice Command (Main Mem) and I had the mentioned probs. I then got a new unit and put VC back on with no other apps and still had the probs. I then got Tmo to give me another unit (Unbelievably) and put MS VC on it and still had the same issues. BUT, this last unit does have better RF and signal strength by about one bar.

I then put Spb Pocket Plus on because I heard it seemed to make other peoples PPC's run better. It started freezing up more than before. I then put Tweaks2k2.net on it and it still acted about the same. I got irritated, due to missing calls from it being frozen and I did not know it, so I removed spb pocket plus and tweaks and it did not freeze up as frequently as before, but I still have apps like VC and the phone app just freeze the unit.

I got the new XIP update and also touchfix when all of this was going on. I will say that the freeze ups on the today screen improved some with Touchfix.

I then put battery backup on it so I would have an app to close the apps completely and it seemed to run a little better, and I also put an app called Pocket Breeze on it for my appointments. Battery backup with Pocketbreeze running in the background all the time cut my battery life way more than expected. So I removed Battery Backup Pro and left Pocket Breeze. I then got Netfront v3.1 and it works great. I put Netfront in the IPAQ File Store also. No probs at all. No freeze ups with Internet at all and its a little faster when browsing.

Like I said, Internet and Email is good. Overall, I still give this Device a Rating of 1 out of 5 being the highest also.

Thanks for the feedback though. If there is something else that will help with stability with this device, it is greatly appreciated.

As far as crying wolf, I don't get what your saying? But your right that you just try to fix what you can and move on. I have been trying to do that. Thanks..

Looks like we are getting a bit off topic here.

Bluetooth on h6315 needs work (new firmware/drivers) but it has potential. With Logitech Mobile Freedom, I am able to maintain headset connection across 2 floors in my house. That means that for the first time, I can leave the phone in the area with best reception and roam freely without affecting cell signal strenght.
I'm also able to initiate/terminate headset connection from the headset itself and, about 90% of the time, IPAQ will reconnect after soft reset or out-of-range situation. At the same time, it will drop it (no reconnection) about twice a day.
As far as PDA functions, I have no complaints. It seems to be as stable as any other PPC I've had - that's with conservative approach to apps, since I wouldn't let any conflicting program interfere with daily tasks, crash the phone etc.
The phone portion of h6315 is a different story. Mine has rather weak reception, makes annoying noise, echo on the other party's end and often fails to dial. A free-after-rebate Nokia would do a better job.
I'll get an external antenna and try to live with all of the shortcomings.

Same with me. People tell me I sound so far away on the phone. The echo is caused by the AGC being on. It takes a couple of secs for it to adjust the mic to the right gain, hence the echo. This is truly a bad phone. I'm planning to sell mine then buy the HTC from Cingular. It's not a perfect phone but it sure beats this junk.

On another note. Has anyone found a solution to the clicking sound on the HP bluetooth headphones.

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Wait a second, doesn't HTC and h6315 share the same phone module ? I think I've read about it somewhere.

By the way, AGC is off on mine.

Success:

BT Sync w/Dell Inspiron 600 through generic BT dongle
Motorola HS 801
Nokia Phone (don't remember the number but friend and I were checking it out and it did link)

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Yes. I have noticed the same thing with the 801. Until I saw your post, I thought it was the horrible phone reception. Maybe a little of both

success with i-trek blue tooth works like a clock.

I strongly recommend the i-trek, low price sensitive to finding a satelaite works like charm with the 6340.

My experiance is limited to moving map programs. I expect problems if I use vector maps software and street level programs, but never used them.

What did you do to get the prius working with the hp6315?

DS

How much is the I-trek and where to get it from?

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Well, I just spoke with TMo for over an hour, trying to resolve a GPRS connection issue, which did not get resolved. In the course of our conversation, I asked the technician about the elusive "Bluetooth Patch." He quite frankly said that there is NOT a BT patch, and any patch that would modify the device, would have to come from HP. I debated the issue with him, stating that TMo sold the device, touting all the great features, to only have them not all work. He said he "felt my frustration" but that TMo has no patch, and did not know of any patch. I eventually got up to "Advanced Technical Support" and spoke with a lady this time around. She also said there was not a BT patch...

We have been jerked around since the device was released. It may be time to get a petition together, and set forth a plan of action, whatever it may be...

KORBEK

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I just had a support phone call where I spoke to seven (7) T-mo employees. (I wish I had recorded the past 3 phone calls to T-mo. Some of the ignorance and misinformation is astounding). Anyway on the most recent call I finally spoke to a Tier 3 tech in Wireless Data Services who told me that frankly GPRS over BT with this device just doesn't work. She was very nice and sympathetic and agreed that it was unacceptable that this problem has gone on for so long. She said that HP, MSFT and T-mo all knew about it but that she didn't know what was being done about it. She said to check back in a "couple of months" to see if they had a fix.

It might not work for Tier 3 technicians or some of us, but there are people around with working setups, so it DOES work.

What also DOES work is unlimited data over GPRS (e-mail, http and https) for $4.99 a month. You just need to use T-Mo proxy.

I can say it because I'm typing this on a laptop tethered over bluetooth to h6315. I'm getting consistent 35-40 Kbps over GPRS and yes, I'm on good old T-Zones.

The Tier 3 tech isn't using the BT patches (3100, 3500 etc) discussed in these forums...

What settings do you mean by "T-Mo proxy"? Thanks for any clarification.

On a $4.99/month T-Zones plan HTTP port 80 needed for web browsing is blocked. But, just like Cingular, T-Mobile keeps a way for certain phones to use advanced features - so they maintain a proxy server which we can use for browsing.

If you want to browse on h6315:

Start>settings>connections>connections>advanced>select networks,
Under: "Programs that connect to the Internet.." create a new connection (let's call it XYZ) with same settings as "T-Mobile Connections" with the same modem (cellular line GPRS). When you go to edit "XYZ" connection, you'll notice that it has "Proxy Settings" tab; tap on it, check "This network uses a proxy server...", type in: 216.155.165.50, tap "Advanced" and under HTTP change port to 8080. That's it, connect using XYZ.

If you want to browse on tethered laptop:

Note: this DOES NOT require the above changes on 6315

I assume you are using Internet Explorer, already paired the devices and created bluetooth dial-up connection on the laptop called "BT". In Internet Explorer, click tools>internet options>connections, double-click "BT" connection listed there, click "use a proxy server for this connection.." again fill in 216.155.165.50 and port 8080, no need to change anything under "Advanced".