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I build/repairs computers and servers for a living but I won't touch my iphone. Not yet anyway! The phone is only a day old so I don't know the in's/out's of it yet. I also don't fully understand the pro's/con's of jailbreak.
I'm worn out from hacking my WM phone and just want to hang with this one as is for a while. Truth is, there may be some positives to jailbreaking, but I'm pretty happy with the way it is now. I'll tell you this too....the battery life is MUCH better than my 6700 with the extended battery.
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I started with a 6600, went to a 6700, went to an i760, went to a 6800, went to a 6900, went back to a 6800 and now the iPhone 3g. Everyone has been hacked and tweaked based on info found here and other helpful forums.
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Rocking out with my iPhone out!
Last edited by Bowtie : 09-21-2008 at 11:48 AM.
Reason: forgot the i760
I jailbroke my original iPhone, but have not with my 3G, since I have the App Store and enough free (and a few paid) apps to make it much more functional for me. After years of tinkering with WM, Palm and Blackberry devices, I am ready to settle down... but will always entertain the thought if there is enough value in it for me.
The only need that I have to jailbreak is if Sling Media decides to release slingbox directly to us and not thru the Apple Store. So I will wait until then.
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Yes I've jailbroken it in 2.01 and 2.02 and currently it is restoring to JB 2.1. Non jaibroken I think the iPhone is close to as useful as a regular cell phone with several hundred semi useless app and about a dozen useful ones, MUCH less useful than a WM device.
But JBing it really changes it into an entirely new device. If you come from the hardcore world of WM devices and enjoy their openness then you could never live with an unjailbroken iPhone.
No need to jailbreak right now for me. If the compelling apps (pA-equivalent, AgendaOne, etc.) come out, then I'll do it.
Try Intelliscreen. It's a nice phoneAlarm replacement. Not quite as robust as pA, but I never needed all of pA's features. The one feature that is missing, I think, from Intelliscreen, is profile switching.
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I've done every version of 3G FW but laying low right now cause I'm making a couple of apps for it and my phone is a Dev phone right now + less reasons to JB with so many cool apps!
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Try Intelliscreen. It's a nice phoneAlarm replacement. Not quite as robust as pA, but I never needed all of pA's features. The one feature that is missing, I think, from Intelliscreen, is profile switching.
Yes I've jailbroken it in 2.01 and 2.02 and currently it is restoring to JB 2.1. Non jaibroken I think the iPhone is close to as useful as a regular cell phone with several hundred semi useless app and about a dozen useful ones, MUCH less useful than a WM device.
But JBing it really changes it into an entirely new device. If you come from the hardcore world of WM devices and enjoy their openness then you could never live with an unjailbroken iPhone.
Hmmm... I do come from that world of hardcore WM devices and trying to get them to max out their potential. My biggest problem with all of it is that I need a reliable phone first, and the unjailbroken iPhone does that. Everything else is gravy. And to say that the vast majority of apps from the App Store are "semi-useless" is an opinion and probably an assumption on your part.
I agree that the potential is there with or without jailbreaking to make the iPhone the best device ever. Jailbreaking allows users to modify the iPhone in ways that App Store apps can't - in the UI and other areas that Apple says are off-limits. I don't see anything wrong with the UI and am quite used to it. But that's just me. If I felt I needed a change that would make the iPhone more productive I would consider jailbreaking it. But not at the expense of losing the stability of the device. It is my ONLY phone. And when I had previously jailbroken my 1st gen iPhone, I found it to be lacking in stability as many of the apps caused a reboot or a sudden freeze. I am not willing to take that chance now. It does what I need - it's a phone with solid internet access and email, which is just what I need. Everything else is simply nice to have.
Hmmm... I do come from that world of hardcore WM devices and trying to get them to max out their potential. My biggest problem with all of it is that I need a reliable phone first, and the unjailbroken iPhone does that. Everything else is gravy. And to say that the vast majority of apps from the App Store are "semi-useless" is an opinion and probably an assumption on your part.
I agree that the potential is there with or without jailbreaking to make the iPhone the best device ever. Jailbreaking allows users to modify the iPhone in ways that App Store apps can't - in the UI and other areas that Apple says are off-limits. I don't see anything wrong with the UI and am quite used to it. But that's just me. If I felt I needed a change that would make the iPhone more productive I would consider jailbreaking it. But not at the expense of losing the stability of the device. It is my ONLY phone. And when I had previously jailbroken my 1st gen iPhone, I found it to be lacking in stability as many of the apps caused a reboot or a sudden freeze. I am not willing to take that chance now. It does what I need - it's a phone with solid internet access and email, which is just what I need. Everything else is simply nice to have.
So... the bottom line is... to each their own.
AMEN!
One thing that I really really hate to hear is people complain that the device sucks because it's crashing after installing apps on a JBed device.
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Hmmm... I do come from that world of hardcore WM devices and trying to get them to max out their potential. My biggest problem with all of it is that I need a reliable phone first, and the unjailbroken iPhone does that. Everything else is gravy. And to say that the vast majority of apps from the App Store are "semi-useless" is an opinion and probably an assumption on your part.
Of course it's opinion, but I don't think it's an invalid one.
Try subscribing to the new apps feed from Pinch Media for a couple of weeks. You'll get about 300 apps per week. I've been subscribed since the feed came out, and I've actually looked at every app in the feed (not in detail, of course, but I've at least glanced at it). At least 50% of them are complete junk. Another 25% or so are duplicates of apps that already exist (competition is fine, but how many tip calculators and "One Touch Dialers" do we need?). So, I would agree that the majority are semi-useless.
Of course it's opinion, but I don't think it's an invalid one.
Try subscribing to the new apps feed from Pinch Media for a couple of weeks. You'll get about 300 apps per week. I've been subscribed since the feed came out, and I've actually looked at every app in the feed (not in detail, of course, but I've at least glanced at it). At least 50% of them are complete junk. Another 25% or so are duplicates of apps that already exist (competition is fine, but how many tip calculators and "One Touch Dialers" do we need?). So, I would agree that the majority are semi-useless.
Then the same logic would apply to all of the Cydia/Installer apps for a jailbroken phone... do you have ALL of them installed? Or MOST of them? Then the rest are SEMI-USELESS - TO YOU! Not necessarily to everyone else... so how does that make jailbreaking better? It is only "better" because the apps don't have to follow Apple's rules... again, these are opinions based on what an individual thinks is or isn't useful.
I'm not saying there are a vast majority of apps through the App Store that I want or even have. But what I am saying is that busting on the App Store based on the logic that the majority of apps there are "semi-useless" doesn't hold water, because the same can be said of jailbroken apps. There may only be 3 or 4 very popular and useful apps for jailbroken iPhones that everyone talks about and downloads, and everything else is "semi-useless" to the majority of users.
I would like to think that the members of this forum can be a little more open-minded than that... perhaps it was just a poor choice of words or it was meant as a tongue-in-cheek poke at Apple's own closed-mindedness.
Perhaps SpineDoc can chime in and let us know what he was thinking?
I didn't comment on JB v. non-JB. I'm just pointing out that the App Store applications do, indeed, appear to have a very small amount of innovation. This was your statement:
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And to say that the vast majority of apps from the App Store are "semi-useless" is an opinion and probably an assumption on your part.
I didn't comment on JB v. non-JB. I'm just pointing out that the App Store applications do, indeed, appear to have a very small amount of innovation.
Keep in mind that my first post was in response to the OP's post. Of course, I can't disagree with you about the innovation part, since all App Store apps have to pass through "big brother" Apple certification. Thus they are limited in what they can or can't do, as compared to jailbreak apps, which have no such rules.
But I think we are getting into semantics here... it's the term "semi-useless" that I object to and I was making my case for/against.
One man's trash is another man's treasure... everything is relative. The terms "trash" and "treasure" are opinions - because they are personal views based on a personal set of circumstances. And "useful" and "useless" are pretty much the same way... along with "innovation" and "stagnation."
My whole point was to engage in a dialogue with the OP about his opinion. I can certainly see the value in JB'ing to get apps that will help people do something they couldn't before. I can also see the value in keeping a stable platform that will work 24x7. If we can get both guaranteed, great... if not, why take the risk? To poo-poo the "big brother" way to reinforce an argument is just not logical. Show me the benefit! Why is it "useful" to you? What makes it so compelling? To tell me that because "keeping it legal sucks" is not a valid reason, since it is working just fine for me in a legal, non-JB manner.
I'm glad that Apple is trying to control how apps are designed and developers have to follow some form of standard architecture.
I have lived through the Windows Mobile developers shoot from the hip type of programming that made a mess of that platform. Band-aid approach to bug fixes which turns into bloated software. Some of us actually paid for some of these crappy applications.
Apples architecture may not be the best but at least there is some level of control.
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Mark, it's a valid point, and I think most of us know the pain of Windows Mobile.
I have paid more than I care to think about with crappy apps from the Apple App Store. As good as the architecture is, the App Store has it's share of shortcomings. So you are correct that they are trying to control the apps and trying to avoid WM mistakes. There still is work to do.
I might have 3 apps from the store that are better than anything I ever got out of jailbreaking. Most of that is graphics and not functionality. I can't think of any app from the App Store that I bought to replace something from the 1.1.4 jailbreak that is of higher quality than what I had before.
App Store needs a try before you buy system before it gets an okay from me. I don't know the logistics and don't care how they approach it, but I'd rather play a one arm bandit in Vegas than play their game.
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