I don't have a dog in this fight, and I was happy to see Jeff posting on the WM6 thread over at ppcgeeks today (something about crow casserole); I hope that means he's back in the developer community. Still, all you have to do is read Jeff's quote in post #45 above to appreciate why Helmi and other open-source guys where offended. (Just count the "I'ves" and "I's"). However good he has been at tweaking the phone, he has been very, very good at recognizing the underserved market of folks who just want a simpler device that works, and then providing them with a branded solution that was 99% built by others but included his 1% of pure magic. In that sense he's been a great marketer and entrepreneur. His vision is still needed.