Thank so much for the informative answers. I have some more questions about the clip versus belt loop issue. You indicate the clip is firm (which it should be to be secure) and a little difficult to get on and off a belt because of its stiffness so, do you think it might scratch through or damage a leather belt? Also, if you did wear a leather belt most of the time (which I know you said you didn't) would you recommend getting the clip or would you get the belt loop? Just looking at the picture, it seems the belt loop version is almost the same overall thickness as the version with neither the belt loop nor the clip, whereas the clip with the ring thing is slightly thicker and maybe, less comfortable. It's too bad no local stores carry it so people who buy it must without trying it first, but it's great that you're able to explain more than what the pictures on their website shows, and give an unvarnished opinion! Thanks again,

Will